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Well well, perhaps we finally know what the end game is here for the Steam Play Proton compatibility layer and a lot of the other work Valve has been doing for Linux with a possible handheld Steam console. Take this with a heavy pinch of salt as we're into super speculation territory now. UPDATES WILL BE POSTED AT THE BOTTOM.

Pavel Djundik, creator of SteamDB who has often dug up interesting new strings showing up in Steam updates has a new Twitter thread up going over some new appearances that raise some eyebrows.

New appearances are seen mentioning a "Neptune" controller along with things like "GameList_View_NeptuneGames", "SteamPal Games" and more curious entries that mention things like quick access and a power menu - all of which point to something quite a bit more than just a new controller. Not only that, there's also earlier mentions of a "Callisto Developer Program" and "Device Optimized Games" going by what Djundik found.

Recently, Valve's Gabe Newell spoke at Sancta Maria College in Auckland, New Zealand that was highlighted in a since deleted Reddit posts (but you can find the video on the likes of YouTube) where Newell was asked about Steam on consoles to which Newell replied "You’ll get a better idea of that by the end of this year". Initially, we thought that might mean the likes of Half-Life: Alyx on PlayStation VR 2 but now we're not so sure going by this new set of leaks.

It would make sense for such a device to be powered by Linux, so Valve has no licensing fees to deal with and can heavily customize it to their needs. It could easily leverage all the work Valve has put into Linux graphics drivers, Steam Play, perhaps Gamescope and much more that Valve has done for Linux. Perhaps their work on sorting out "new ways for prospective users to get into Linux gaming" and the "live USB media" that we mentioned here were all efforts towards this in some way? Would be a given for it to use an AMD GPU of some kind, considering Valve's investments into the open source Mesa drivers too.

Imagine if "Device Optimized Games" were those specifically ported to Linux to work with this device, that would also work well across desktop Linux with the Steam Linux Runtime dealing with any possibly library incompatibilities. Oh the possibilities. Throw in the idea I recently brought up of a Steam Game Pass…quite exciting.

Then again, it could end up just being a Steam Controller 2 and these optimized games are just setup for it ready. I would be happy with that anyway, not quite as happy as a full Linux-powered handheld Steam console but I do love the Steam Controller. Possibly even something standalone for future VR kits and of course possibly nothing as some leaks turn out. However, with the hints mentioning an "AirplaneMode", that would only be useful for a full handheld.

Bundle a new Valve game with it like they did with the Valve Index and Half-Life: Alyx and you could get plenty of sales.

What are you thoughts on all this?

UPDATE: the website Ars Technica has reportedly spoken to "sources familiar with the matter" who have confirmed it's real and will be Linux-powered. It may even launch by the end of this year. We've reached out to Valve Press to see if they have anything to say about it for us.

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kuhpunkt May 25, 2021
Quoting: elmapuldead on arrival.
0)any one trust valve to make an game console again after the steam machines flop? anyone would trust then with your money?
1)the market for this type of thing is already flooded, gpd win etc.

Steam Machines were a "flop" because there was barely a market for it.

Also, the market is hardly flooded.
Mohandevir May 25, 2021
With all I read surrounding Steam on Chromebooks... Quite sure that's the deal... Valve's own Steam Chromebooks with dedicated graphics (Intel Xe or AMD) maybe? That might be coming with a Steam Controller V2, optionally?

One such example:
https://boilingsteam.com/steam-on-chromeos-a-win-win-situation-for-both-google-and-valve/

Personnally, I'd be really happy if this comes out. It would probably really help Linux desktop because it would use Linux desktop (via project Borealis which is an Ubuntu VM).

Chromebooks overtook Mac in the OS marketshare, it could boost the number of Linux native games support directly, as a consequence.
Eike 10 years May 25, 2021
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Quoting: MohandevirChromebooks overtook Mac in the OS marketshare, it could boost the number of Linux native games support directly, as a consequence.

Netmarketshare noted 0.4% ChromeOS vs. 9.5% MacOS in their last statistics...
Mohandevir May 25, 2021
Quoting: Eike
Quoting: MohandevirChromebooks overtook Mac in the OS marketshare, it could boost the number of Linux native games support directly, as a consequence.

Netmarketshare noted 0.4% ChromeOS vs. 9.5% MacOS in their last statistics...

https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2021/02/data-shows-googles-chrome-os-officially.html

https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/the-worlds-second-most-popular-desktop-operating-system-isnt-macos-anymore/

Edit: This said, if it turns out to be a new Steam Machine in the form of a handheld, I'd be more than happy. But I really think that all this Borealis development will come into play in that picture, somehow.


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grigi May 25, 2021
If such a device comes out, the Van Gogh APU seems well suited. Leaks all point it having a weaker CPU (4-core) than the current Renoir CPU's, but has a stronger GPU (RDNA2). All in a 9-15W TDP, so should be easy to cool as well.

Considering how well a Renoir notebook can play heavy games, couple this with a 720p or 800p display, and you'd get something that could play so many games so well, and be about the size of the nintendo device.


Of course, we can only hope it's BOTH a new steam controller AND a portable gaming unit.
Eike 10 years May 25, 2021
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Quoting: Mohandevir
Quoting: Eike
Quoting: MohandevirChromebooks overtook Mac in the OS marketshare, it could boost the number of Linux native games support directly, as a consequence.

Netmarketshare noted 0.4% ChromeOS vs. 9.5% MacOS in their last statistics...

https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2021/02/data-shows-googles-chrome-os-officially.html

https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/the-worlds-second-most-popular-desktop-operating-system-isnt-macos-anymore/

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

I guess we can at least conclude that OS market share measuring is very difficult when OS X ranges from 7.5 to 17 % and Chrome OS ranged from 0.4% to 10% last year...


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Mohandevir May 25, 2021
Quoting: Eike
Quoting: Mohandevir
Quoting: Eike
Quoting: MohandevirChromebooks overtook Mac in the OS marketshare, it could boost the number of Linux native games support directly, as a consequence.

Netmarketshare noted 0.4% ChromeOS vs. 9.5% MacOS in their last statistics...

https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2021/02/data-shows-googles-chrome-os-officially.html

https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-worldwide-2020-cutting-windows-market-share/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/the-worlds-second-most-popular-desktop-operating-system-isnt-macos-anymore/

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

I guess we can at least conclude that OS market share measuring is very difficult when OS X ranges from 7.5 to 17 % and Chrome OS ranged from 0.4% to 10% last year...

But I really have a problem with the .4% marketshare figure considering the wide success of educationnal Chromebooks everywhere... Net Market share might not be looking at the right places, in these cases.

During the pandemic, I've witnessed complete shipments of Chromebooks sent to many of my neighborhood schools. Never saw anything similar with Linux preinstalled.

I mean, it's impossible that the ChromeOS market share is under Linux's, by that much... It should be at least twice the Linux share, imo.

Edit: We can also conclude that ChromeOS is on the rise, thanks in part, at least, to the pandemic.


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Julius May 25, 2021
Quoting: grigiOf course, we can only hope it's BOTH a new steam controller AND a portable gaming unit.

As much as I love my two Steam controllers, I think the SteamBoy/SmachZ prototypes have shown that the large touchpads of the steam controller do not work well in combination with a build in screen.

But maybe they will do some magic to emulate a steam controller with a touchscreen (while turning the screen itself off) or maybe it will be some sort of clam-shell device.
Eike 10 years May 25, 2021
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Quoting: MohandevirBut I really have a problem with the .4% marketshare figure considering the wide success of educationnal Chromebooks everywhere... Net Market share might not be looking at the right places, in these cases.

I'm yet to see my first Chromebook here in Germany...
Though I at least did see some public adds here now.
Googling for it, "Nebenrolle" ("supporting actor") was a friendly way to describe its role in my country.

Quoting: MohandevirEdit: We can also conclude that ChromeOS is on the rise, thanks in part, at least, to the pandemic.

I guess so!
Mohandevir May 25, 2021
Quoting: EikeI'm yet to see my first Chromebook here in Germany...

That might be a reason... In NA, it's selling like hot cakes. I was never able to sell Linux to my wife... Got her a Chromebook, for Christmas 2019 (ASUS C223NA)... Personnally I find it way too underpowered, but she fell in love with it... I even proposed to replace it with a Win10 Laptop... "No way! Over my dead body!"

Go figure.

Edit: Oh yeah! And Chromebooks are easily accessible at Walmarts, Bestbuys, Costcos, etc...


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