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Amongst a whole lot of technobabble about AI AI and more AI, AMD today announced the Radeon RX 7600 XT, Ryzen 8000G series and new Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. For any normal consumer, their event was a hard boring watch with business people patting each-other on the back about AI advancements but here's the gist of what was actually revealed today.

Firstly of all they announced the Radeon RX 7600 XT GPU with 16GB GDDR6 for 1080p gaming, starting at $329 releasing January 24th. Nothing really special here, it's a slight bump over the RX 7600 with more RAM, slightly boosted clock speeds and a higher typical board power at 190 W.

Now onto the processors, starting with the new AMD Ryzen 8000G Series desktop processors for the AM5 platform, which bring forth AMD's new dedicated AI neural processing unit (NPU) to desktop PC processors, built on top of Zen 4. All of the 8000G Series processors include a Radeon 700M series graphics too.

Here's the models available starting January 31st for SI partners and for OEMs in "Q2 2024":

Model Cores/Threads Boost / Base Frequency Total Cache TDP NPU SEP
AMD Ryzen 7 8700G
+ Radeon 780M
8C/16T Up to 5.1GHz / 4.2GHz 24MB 65W Yes $329
AMD Ryzen 5 8600G
+ Radeon 760M
6C/12T Up to 5.0GHz / 4.3GHz 22MB 65W Yes $229
AMD Ryzen 5 8500G
+ Radeon 740M
6C/12T Up to 5.0GHz / 3.5GHz 22MB 65W N/A $179
AMD Ryzen 3 8300G
+ Radeon 740M
4C/8T Up to 4.9GHz / 3.4GHz 12MB 65W N/A N/A

Here's the new Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 series CPUs for socket AM4 announced that will become available from January 31st:

Model Cores/Threads Boost / Base Frequency Total Cache TDP SEP
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 8C/16T Up to 4.1GHz / 3.0GHz 100MB 105W $249
AMD Ryzen 7 5700 8C/16T Up to 4.6GHz / 3.7GHz 20MB 65W $175
AMD Ryzen 5 5600GT 6C/12T Up to 4.6GHz / 3.6GHz 19MB 65W $140
AMD Ryzen 5 5500GT 6C/12T Up to 4.4GHz / 3.6GHz 19MB 65W $125

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Hm, was pondering some days ago to buy new CPU, but the 7000 series is getting so hot, I'm always thinking about that gif where this dogs is sitting in fire and says "Its' fine"... I'd say that as well, when my PC is nearly at boiling point of water.
jordicoma Jan 8
Who cares about NPU? It's useless and even we don't have a driver or api to use it.
So much for a Ryzen 9 5900X3D or 5950X3D. </3

I'm sticking with my Ryzen 9 5900X that I've got. It's perfectly fine and it's still a high end CPU. Even if there's something to gain with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D that they've already got out, it's not worth the money or hassle to get it for what I'd get back in CPU power. Plus going from a 9 down to a 7 still feels like a downgrade regardless.

Whatever supposed bottlenecks that the fear mongers said that there could be with the 5900X or 5950X and the GeForce 4090 either don't exist, or aren't even noticable and completely irrelevant.
Might get tempted by the R5 5600gt or R7 5700, at some point. Let's see the benchmarks, but it could be a nice upgrade to replace my R5 3600.
Tuxee Jan 8
Quoting: SoulprayerHm, was pondering some days ago to buy new CPU, but the 7000 series is getting so hot, I'm always thinking about that gif where this dogs is sitting in fire and says "Its' fine"... I'd say that as well, when my PC is nearly at boiling point of water.

What do you mean? My 7900 with a 65W TDP hardly ever surpasses 60° with a one minute all-core stress test. Perhaps you should add a cpu cooler?
Quoting: Tuxee
Quoting: SoulprayerHm, was pondering some days ago to buy new CPU, but the 7000 series is getting so hot, I'm always thinking about that gif where this dogs is sitting in fire and says "Its' fine"... I'd say that as well, when my PC is nearly at boiling point of water.
What do you mean? My 7900 with a 65W TDP hardly ever surpasses 60° with a one minute all-core stress test. Perhaps you should add a cpu cooler?
Well, the news is over a year old, maybe the latest models don't have this problem
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-are-built-to-run-at-95c-24x7-without-affecting-lifespan-or-reliability/
It will eventually be the year of ray-tracing; I have no need of it right now, mostly what it seems to do is make games slow (and anyway I don't play that kind of game), but there are reasons to do it and computing power will in time make it work fine. So it's going to gradually move into the mainstream. I'm saying this mostly to note that I'm not a knee-jerk techno-sceptic.

But I think "AI" is in the short term going to be a bubble. One thing that people don't notice is that all these snazzy ChatGPT-type things are not just incredibly expensive to build if you need your own, but apparently also surprisingly expensive to use, cuz they take up massive stacks and stacks of processing power and of course require huge-mongoose amounts of data, at least some which is gonna have to be stored somewhere. So, while there are lots of use-cases for these AI-ish thingies, there are far fewer use-cases that are worth the money once you're not getting a free/cheap taste to generate buzz. Of course, all this expense is going to create motivation to make smaller-scale, more half-assed AI things, with the result that they'll fuck up even more than the big ones do (which is quite a bit). And you can't really debug and improve the damn things, 'cause you don't know how they work. There are a lot of problems, and some of them are quite intractable.
emphy Jan 9
Quoting: Soulprayer
Quoting: Tuxee
Quoting: SoulprayerHm, was pondering some days ago to buy new CPU, but the 7000 series is getting so hot, I'm always thinking about that gif where this dogs is sitting in fire and says "Its' fine"... I'd say that as well, when my PC is nearly at boiling point of water.
What do you mean? My 7900 with a 65W TDP hardly ever surpasses 60° with a one minute all-core stress test. Perhaps you should add a cpu cooler?
Well, the news is over a year old, maybe the latest models don't have this problem
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-7000-cpus-are-built-to-run-at-95c-24x7-without-affecting-lifespan-or-reliability/

One can either run'em fast&hot, which would be how the x versions arrive, or not-quite-so-fast and lots cooler, which is the out-of-the-box experience with the non-x versions.

Note that, despite how they are pre-tweaked, the x version can run just as cool with eco mode, and the non-x version just as fast&hot as the x edition via pbo.


Last edited by emphy on 9 January 2024 at 10:17 am UTC
Nasra Jan 9
RX 7600 XT is probably a good card, but in 128bits, the memory bandwidth will be a problem for its 16GB VRAM...
ronnoc Jan 9
I wonder why there was no Ryzen 7 5700GT announced?
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