Framework becomes a KDE Patron helping to fund open source

I am glad to see KDE getting more love. Seemed like gnome was getting all the attention and frankly KDE is just better and brings more to the table for the user as well as being much more user focused.

That said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”. You don’t get to play middle of the road both sides anymore, that ship has sailed…. right into an iceberg.

Quoting: DurandalThat said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”.

Huh? What did I miss?

Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: DurandalThat said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”.

Huh? What did I miss?

There was a drama that Framework supported non-koscher projects so now everyone should hate on Framework ;)

ad rem - great move. KDE is getting better and better despite GNOME being the default on majority of distros. What makes me laugh is that Fedora recently promoted KDE variant to the main page and put lovely: "The next generation personal desktop" monicker below it 🥰

Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: DurandalThat said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”.

Huh? What did I miss?

TL;DR they promoted and supported an unapologetic white supremacist... when they were called out on it they said they use a "big tent" and don't pick sides.

https://itsfoss.com/news/framework-hyprland-sponsorship/

I like framework and also KDE, so ideal situation for me :-)

Quoting: Durandalsupported an unapologetic white supremacist..

I would very much like to see examples of this. That's a horrible thing. From anything I've seen, nothing has directly been the offenders words.

I looked at Hyprlands website and such. It seems like a really interesting project from a user perspective at least. Thus, the more "non-gross" people working on the technology means it can be taken over by "decent" people or organizations.

I'm all for boycotts but, we need to be careful about The Townsfolk Mentality and witch burning. People very much have emotional, knee-jerk reactions and they do so to things that have been twisted and blown out of proportion. One thin-skinned person gets offended then others jump on the bandwagon.

I've seen reports of artists going to trial for accusations, then are found to be innocent. Afterwards, the townsfolk are still up in arms. The artist' life has been ruined with no solid evidence, tried in court and found not-guilty meanwhile the public still treats the person as guilty.

This is something to watch I suppose. Bare in mind that the first step from an organization could be supporting a project, the next could be forking it or writing something new with learned knowledge. Just look at System76 and GNOME ➡️ Cosmic.

Anyway, it's great to see KDE get more support. It's great to see for-profit corporations spending money on libre software.

Quoting: Durandal

Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: DurandalThat said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”.

Huh? What did I miss?

TL;DR they promoted and supported an unapologetic white supremacist... when they were called out on it they said they use a "big tent" and don't pick sides.

https://itsfoss.com/news/framework-hyprland-sponsorship/

Some, not informed about those incidents, might take your initial comment to be overly emotional or even inflammatory. I believe all emotions serve a function, at least internally. How and when to express them is... a complex skill.

That said, I too, believe in the [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) - that intolerance should not be tolerated. Free speech only so far as it doesn't limit the speech of others. Hate speech takes away the ability of weaker participants to have a say at all. Initially by taking away their safety, and if unchecked, actually injuring and killing the oppressed group.

And thereby Framework (according to this philosophy) is in fact promoting the domination of intolerance by not suppressing it.

I do get where people on the other side of this are coming from - suppressing any speech feels uncomfortable, intolerant, and wrong. But I wouldn't expect anyone on their own, especially engineers without an interest in the humanities, to evolve to such heights in political philosophy. In a proverbial trolley problem, most people would not pull the lever to kill (partially the free speech of) one to save fifty.

Quoting: EWG

Quoting: Durandalsupported an unapologetic white supremacist..

I would very much like to see examples of this. That's a horrible thing. From anything I've seen, nothing has directly been the offenders words.

He's been vocal on his opinions on social media, so finding things "in his own words" shouldn't be too hard.

There's plenty of articles summarizing it, such as this.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/

Some, not informed about those incidents, might take your initial comment to be overly emotional or even inflammatory.

The initial comment assumed that people knew what the big tent referred to, but the follow up post was the least-emotional, least-inflammatory take I've ever seen on the subject of DHH. There's even a link to the "big tent" reference that Framework made. It's concise and factual. We're all grown ups here, I think, so we can up our own minds whether we like the idea of Framework welcoming such individuals into their patronage.