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Vivox, the voice chat middleware used by a number of games that doesn't currently support Linux recently suggested a developer just drop Linux support. They've now reached out to me with a statement.

It all started when one of the developers from Alderon Games, who are currently working on the MMO dinosaur game Path of Titans, posted this response they received from Vivox into our Discord channel about their request for Linux support (click to enlarge):

This was then later posted onto Reddit by the developer, where they got a lot of support from the Linux community.

I sent out a personal Twitter post to express my dissatisfaction with what they said and just today (and to my surprise), Vivox actually replied. Their statement, sent to me on Twitter starts with "To the Linux community and development friends," and then includes the below statement in an image:

I think they made the right call here, as it was an extremely bad look to suggest a developer drop an entire platform just to use their middleware. We're a smaller platform, sure but it's still not something anyone at Vivox should be suggesting to potential partners. You don't win people over, by doing things like that.

Also interesting to see them suggest they may bring Vivox to Linux in future, which would help future Linux ports be made (and likely be needed for Google Stadia support too since it uses Linux/Vulkan).

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dpanter 1 May 2019 at 2:25 pm UTC
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Good to see them clear up a misunderstanding - but things like these keep happening. I don't understand why.
gradyvuckovic 1 May 2019 at 2:38 pm UTC
Imma keep it real with ya chief - That response is 100% PR Talk

They got busted. All of that response is just code for:

"We're not going to support Linux until we think it's financially worth it and we still don't think it is and truth be told we don't think it's financially worth it for our customers to do so either, but now we know developers who ask about Linux support might rat on us to reddit to make us look bad, we're going to give a canned 'Sorry we do not currently support Linux at this time but we might support Linux in the future.' response next time a developer asks about Linux support instead of our honest opinion."

That last line in particular makes it clear, don't expect Vivox to support Linux any time soon.
wytrabbit 1 May 2019 at 2:46 pm UTC
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gradyvuckovicImma keep it real with ya chief - That response is 100% PR Talk

They got busted. All of that response is just code for:

"We're not going to support Linux until we think it's financially worth it and we still don't think it is and truth be told we don't think it's financially worth it for our customers to do so either, but now we know developers who ask about Linux support might rat on us to reddit to make us look bad, we're going to give a canned 'Sorry we do not currently support Linux at this time but we might support Linux in the future.' response next time a developer asks about Linux support instead of our honest opinion."

That last line in particular makes it clear, don't expect Vivox to support Linux any time soon.

Basically yea, but it's nice to know they'll keep their opinions to themselves from now on. The Vivox guy wanted to make a sale and earn a customer, and that was a seriously scummy way to do it.
F.Ultra 1 May 2019 at 3:05 pm UTC
I wonder just how many minutes it would take for say Ryan Gordon to port this to Linux...

edit: And I see that they have versions for macOS and Android so it's more or less already ported.


Last edited by F.Ultra on 1 May 2019 at 3:09 pm UTC
Shmerl 1 May 2019 at 3:24 pm UTC
Developers should just use Mumble which is open source. No need for any closed middleware for what is already available as FOSS.
slaapliedje 1 May 2019 at 3:50 pm UTC
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This should just be a sign that developers should make sure their middleware aren't made by shitheads.
Dunc 1 May 2019 at 3:55 pm UTC
Honest question: what does Vivox provide that Mumble wouldn't? Servers?

(Bl**dy h*ll, their website is absolutely awful. All style and precious little substance. That would be a red flag to me before I even started.)
callcifer 1 May 2019 at 4:07 pm UTC
gradyvuckovicWe're not going to support Linux until we think it's financially worth it
Imagine a business seeking profits, the horror!

gradyvuckovictruth be told we don't think it's financially worth it for our customers to do so either
We all wish it wasn't, but there is a lot of truth to this. Just ask most indie devs whether their last Linux port was financially worth it.


gradyvuckovicwe're going to give a canned 'Sorry we do not currently support Linux at this time but we might support Linux in the future.'
What? That's the correct response to give!
mirv 1 May 2019 at 6:05 pm UTC
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callcifer
gradyvuckovicWe're not going to support Linux until we think it's financially worth it
Imagine a business seeking profits, the horror!

gradyvuckovictruth be told we don't think it's financially worth it for our customers to do so either
We all wish it wasn't, but there is a lot of truth to this. Just ask most indie devs whether their last Linux port was financially worth it.


gradyvuckovicwe're going to give a canned 'Sorry we do not currently support Linux at this time but we might support Linux in the future.'
What? That's the correct response to give!

a) it's not up to them to tell potential customers if GNU/Linux is worth it for the customer.
b) a lot more ports would be worth the effort if the middleware wasn't shitty.
c) GNU/Linux can often help devs even if a port is not released. It's called testing.

Just some points to consider. Not saying always applies, but should be considered.
Termy 1 May 2019 at 6:25 pm UTC
Well, i know which company would be out of the picture if i ever have anything to say in any software development ^^

The official statement is obviously just a PR-Stunt to minimize the shitstorm...

The question others asked - what this offers over mumble - is a good one though
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