Well, they don't undestand that Linux is not only about prices, it's about the idea.
Though we migrated from MS SQL Server to PostgreSQL because of price, and now we want to migrate from MS Windows Server, because of the idea.

I don't know if this belongs here but I think that here is another great example of how uninformed users spread misinformation about literally everything xD



Thinking that games on Win10 run better because of dx12 eventhough there's only a few games running it in the first place, and even those have no improvements over Vulkan...

Quoting: AresoWell, they don't undestand that Linux is not only about prices, it's about the idea.
Though we migrated from MS SQL Server to PostgreSQL because of price, and now we want to migrate from MS Windows Server, because of the idea.

A lot of these people aren't into PC gaming for the philosophies. They just want the most/biggest toys. If types of gamers were to be put on a spectrum, these folks would fall very closely to "console peasants".

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Quoting: AresoWell, they don't undestand that Linux is not only about prices, it's about the idea.
Though we migrated from MS SQL Server to PostgreSQL because of price, and now we want to migrate from MS Windows Server, because of the idea.

A lot of these people aren't into PC gaming for the philosophies. They just want the most/biggest toys. If types of gamers were to be put on a spectrum, these folks would fall very closely to "console peasants".

Yes I agree, 80% of PC gaming are just as big peasants as console gamers are, they did take the good advice and switch to PC gaming which is good for them but they're still mostly uninformed. I don't mind someone who plays on Windows for performance and does it conciously, but there is no reason for anyone to hate linux.

Those hypocrites will brag to Xbox users on how they're peasants because PC is an open platform, but on the other hand neglect Linux, opensource and open APIs and embrace Windows and DirectX. Hypocricy 101

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Holy shit :D unified drivers? He literally thinks that every distro has their own drivers or what... I mean sometimes they just amaze me.

Ha, that's pretty silly. My favorite is the 'linux is cheap, get a job buy windows'. Most people who are Linux Administrators make far more money than their Windows Administrator counterparts.

Looks a lot like …

But bruh!!1 Lunix is not made for gamerz!

… or …

Yo dawg linux is so cheap man why dont' ya just go buy sum rael OS!1

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I'm sick of that s#!t.

I do sometimes wonder what causes all the hostility. Do these people actually feel threatened in any way? Is it a simple us-versus-them, like in soccer? Or is it an even simpler "I don't know anything about it, so it's bad"? I know I've seen a lot of the latter in people I know in person, not just about Linux, either.

It's obvious MS, like any company in the world above a certain size, employs people to make good publicity for them that looks like it comes from regular people. Does that extend to trashing the competition and if so, how low is that allowed to go?

I wonder if Canonical employs people to talk good about Ubuntu or Linux in general. I doubt Red Hat would do that, considering they're focused on the enterprise.

Anyway, it's all a bit of laughter through tears for me, reading comments like these here.

Quoting: damarrinIt's obvious MS, like any company in the world above a certain size, employs people to make good publicity for them that looks like it comes from regular people. Does that extend to trashing the competition and if so, how low is that allowed to go?

Microsoft is known to go very far. It's not a question of microsoft themselves, as well as the PR agencies they hire that let dead people write letters to the government, and create fake grass-root movements for lobbying purposes.
So these tactics are certainly employed by their PR agencies.
Although microsoft themselves are also known to try and fuck things up for competitors like wordperfect, or OS/2 by coding specific tests for competitors software and then refuse to behave or work. Lately however they are not caught at doing stuff like that.
Usually it's local microsoft departments or resellers to publish biased reports with bad or imaginary data (munich for instance has an active lobbying against the linux as a desktop, ties to companies are shady).

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So that guy thinks that switching to Mac would work, because Mac gives exactly the same artifacts, as it is the same renderer.
Worse: the macs are under-represented on Ark...
But ark is not a good reference. It's full of salty "it works on my computer, so yours must suck", and "WC don't know how to develop, because my whiny shitass complaint has still not been looked at, so I better make some bad remarks about the developers".
The amount of people that could have programmed ark completely bug free in less than a year is so enormous, WC certainly must be doing something wrong 8-D.

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So that guy thinks that switching to Mac would work, because Mac gives exactly the same artifacts, as it is the same renderer.
Worse: the macs are under-represented on Ark...
But ark is not a good reference. It's full of salty "it works on my computer, so yours must suck", and "WC don't know how to develop, because my whiny shitass complaint has still not been looked at, so I better make some bad remarks about the developers".
The amount of people that could have programmed ark completely bug free in less than a year is so enormous, WC certainly must be doing something wrong 8-D.

I guess it's more like "I've heard all these stereotypes so they must be true". Also the fanboyism usually results in bashing everything that isn't what you're fanboy of...

Quite often trolls do not know what they're talking about. They provide inaccurate information. I set right a particularly active anti-Linux troll some time ago, and the person went away without a good counter-argument. Here was the posting:

[Steam Discussion](http://steamcommunity.com/app/338390/discussions/0/364042703855993474/?ctp=5#c154644705026190533)

Quoting: g000hQuite often trolls do not know what they're talking about. They provide inaccurate information. I set right a particularly active anti-Linux troll some time ago, and the person went away without a good counter-argument. Here was the posting:

[Steam Discussion](http://steamcommunity.com/app/338390/discussions/0/364042703855993474/?ctp=5#c154644705026190533)

Genreally I'm not even looking twice at troll discussions, becuase they are exactly that: troll discussions. Presenting logic to somebody who has decided in advance to disagree with everything you say or ignore any facts you provide isn't what I'd consider worth anybody's time.

Having that said, I loved your post there on the steam forums! Actually a lot of nice information in it, for people like me who ARE linux users! Gave me a little bit more solid information about the state of linux and gaming, and that's always good to have! :)

+1 :D

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Quoting: g000hQuite often trolls do not know what they're talking about. They provide inaccurate information. I set right a particularly active anti-Linux troll some time ago, and the person went away without a good counter-argument. Here was the posting:

[Steam Discussion](http://steamcommunity.com/app/338390/discussions/0/364042703855993474/?ctp=5#c154644705026190533)

Genreally I'm not even looking twice at troll discussions, becuase they are exactly that: troll discussions. Presenting logic to somebody who has decided in advance to disagree with everything you say or ignore any facts you provide isn't what I'd consider worth anybody's time.

Having that said, I loved your post there on the steam forums! Actually a lot of nice information in it, for people like me who ARE linux users! Gave me a little bit more solid information about the state of linux and gaming, and that's always good to have! :)

+1 :D

Well said sir, and we need that like button for forum posts as well :D

You have to be a special kind of lowlife scum to hate on minorities. But these people are just trolls. And what do you do with trolls? You pretend like they don't exist. By doing that, not only do you save energy but it destroys everything they try to fight for.

If these people had any balls at all they would try to troll a majority group.

Quoting: AryvandaarYou have to be a special kind of lowlife scum to hate on minorities.

Unfortunately society in general is a lowlife scum :/

Ha ha, is that how we should respond to Anti-Linux trolls? Tell them they are prejudiced toward minority groups? I think that may actually work...

"I have the Freedom to use Linux, so I'd like to be able to play this game"
"it's not worth the money, and Linux is broken blah blah"
"Don't oppress me, what are you the Christians killing the pagans?"

Here's a thought, and I know it is kind of silly. But instead of "Can you please port this to Linux." should we start with "Can you please release this for SteamOS?" While we know there is no difference, I think valve sort of did a disservice to us by taking the Penguin away and just putting in their SteamOS icon everywhere. And quite frankly we don't care if it's for 'SteamOS' it should still work under the Steam Linux client. Unless developers start doing something horrible like making it look for LSB strings or something.

Damn ! It's so hilarious, but in the same time make me feel sad about it.
I'm more pessimistic maybe but i don't think the majority of these people are trolls...
At least just ignorant.

Unfortunately society in general is a lowlife scum :/

I agree. :(

Quoting: CyrilDamn ! It's so hilarious, but in the same time make me feel sad about it.
I'm more pessimistic maybe but i don't think the majority of these people are trolls...
At least just ignorant.

Unfortunately society in general is a lowlife scum :/

I agree. :(

I don't feel it hilarious. I don't understand the motivation under that comments. They clearly don't use Linux, so it's something that doesn't affect them and they continue making such comments. Another example: [Please release Dark Souls III for Linux!](http://steamcommunity.com/app/374320/discussions/0/152393186497353507/#c1368380934286821199) on Steam.