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Ubuntu 18.04 Data Collection
calfret commented on 16 February 2018 at 4:36 pm UTC

For anyone who hasn't heard, Canonical is planning to collect user data again. I don't have a problem with this as long as it is open and honest and that the user voluntarily chooses to participate or not participate.

Here is the link from Will Cooke discussing this plan


Here is the video of Quidsup discussing this on Youtube.

View video on youtube.com

m2mg2 commented on 16 February 2018 at 8:14 pm UTC

I abandoned Ubuntu a long time when I realized Ubuntu was the Windows of Linux. That is a joke, but this doesn't surprise me at all. It isn't the first time they tried something like this either. I wouldn't have a problem if it was made completely clear and the option to not participate was easy and apparent and the default was not to participate. That is almost never the case with these things though.

tonR commented on 16 February 2018 at 8:55 pm UTC

OMG Ubuntu already reported this few days ago. For summary, it's like Steam Survey thing.
The problem is it is opt-out not opt-in. Not big fan of that.

List what they will collect(ed):
* Ubuntu Flavour
* Ubuntu Version
* Network connectivity or not
* CPU family
* RAM
* Disk(s) size
* Screen(s) resolution
* GPU vendor and model
* OEM Manufacturer
* Location (based on the location selection made by the user at
install). No IP information would be gathered
* Installation duration (time taken)
* Auto login enabled or not
* Disk layout selected
* Third party software selected or not
* Download updates during install or not
* LivePatch enabled or not

Source.

Ehvis commented on 16 February 2018 at 9:21 pm UTC

It's funny how people are completely willing to submit the same information to Valve but start overreacting when Canonical does it. And Mozilla. And a whole bunch of others.

calfret commented on 16 February 2018 at 9:30 pm UTC

EhvisIt's funny how people are completely willing to submit the same information to Valve but start overreacting when Canonical does it. And Mozilla. And a whole bunch of others.

Voluntary participation is key. I am not fond at all of how these other programs snatch your data from you without a choice. Most folks aren't even aware it happens. 'It's in the EULA'... Nope, not a single person I know has ever actually read a EULA ever. My friends made fun of me for doing it once.

Either way, I am ok with this as long as it is made known and made voluntary.

tonR commented on 16 February 2018 at 10:33 pm UTC

calfret
EhvisIt's funny how people are completely willing to submit the same information to Valve but start overreacting when Canonical does it. And Mozilla. And a whole bunch of others.

Voluntary participation is key. I am not fond at all of how these other programs snatch your data from you without a choice.
I'm fine if Canonical make it like GOL style timed survey (ones a week or month) and giving choices which data we want send to them instead giving them in bulk with binary choices (Yes or No).
BTW, it is impossible to track location without IP address IMO.

calfretNope, not a single person I know has ever actually read a EULA ever. My friends made fun of me for doing it once.

Probably I'm one of your friends. Hahahaha (I'm joking, apologies)

Ehvis commented on 16 February 2018 at 11:32 pm UTC

calfretEither way, I am ok with this as long as it is made known and made voluntary.

It was already said that it's voluntary. Can be switched on/off in the installer and privacy settings.

Salvatos commented on 17 February 2018 at 4:16 am UTC

tonR* Ubuntu Flavour
* Ubuntu Version
* Network connectivity or not
* CPU family
* RAM
* Disk(s) size
* Screen(s) resolution
* GPU vendor and model
* OEM Manufacturer
* Location (based on the location selection made by the user at
install). No IP information would be gathered
* Installation duration (time taken)
* Auto login enabled or not
* Disk layout selected
* Third party software selected or not
* Download updates during install or not
* LivePatch enabled or not

Source.
There's hardly anything to make me flinch there. None of it is identifiable, and it's pretty clearly aimed at seeing what kind of machine people are installing the OS on and what options are preferred. Sure it should be opt-in, but even if it's not, it's a far cry from something like Web analytics, in my opinion.

devnull commented on 17 February 2018 at 4:53 am UTC

Just going to leave these here incase ANYONE still trusts this company or doubts their intentions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/astarrb/status/880170781841514496

From their response:

> Kirkland describes the design of the feature as follows:
> Asynchronously, about 60 seconds after boot, a systemd timer fires which runs "/etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news --force"

> It sources 3 admin-editable config variables in /etc/default/motd-news. The defaults are: ENABLED=1, URLS="https://motd.ubuntu.com", WAIT="5"


tl;DR - Canonical embeded ads in system motds.

tonR commented on 17 February 2018 at 8:48 am UTC

devnulltl;DR - Canonical embeded ads in system motds.
Yes.. Forgot that they still have contract/connection with that A-shopping website.. Probably they wants data to promoting stuffs from that platform.

slaapliedje commented on 21 February 2018 at 3:50 am UTC

I honestly switched from Ubuntu after they ditched one of their primary goals (to have a 6 month release cycle with the latest Gnome) now they have gone back and forth on so many decisions (Mir, Unity, Upstart) that I just don't see any reason to go back to them for desktop usage. Besides, Debian is still more stable.

Also, I read somewhere that there was some attempt with laws that made things to be Opt-in instead of Opt-out, but I don't think it got anywhere, and probably wasn't about software like this, but begs the question, why isn't there an opt-in law? It is like everytime I download flash, I have to remember to uncheck mcafee! Pisses me off, everytime I set up a new Android phone, I have to tell it to not track my ad ID... etc.

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