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No tux no bucks
Poll results: Is no tux no bucks harmful or helpful to Linux gaming?
Helpful
 
14 vote(s)
70%
Harmful
 
6 vote(s)
30%
Cyril commented on 10 September 2019 at 5:20 pm UTC

Ideally yeah I agree with this stance, but personally I don't always apply it, and for my side is a bit more complicated.
I don't mind buying some Windows only games released some years ago, but they have to be DRM-Free (and out of Steam).
I prefer buying a Windows DRM-free game on GOG than buying a native title on Steam, and I know a lot of people don't agree with this and/or really understand that position.
DRM is a nonsense, whatever OS, software, file you use, period. Same with Free software, right now I think I'm at 98% (If I don't count games of course).
"No tux, no bucks" is not harmful if you don't spam forums about it IMO. But I don't really like devs who ask the community about it and sometimes gives hopes for nothing. Just adding a +1 in a thread like some of us do is nice.

In the end, Linux games releases could help a lot for Linux adoption in general. Even if it's still proprietary games, if majority of people were using a nearly 100% Free software OS that would be better in many aspects!

Sorry to be a bit off topic!

eldaking commented on 11 September 2019 at 2:27 pm UTC

I don't consider it harmful, but it is mostly... inconsequential.

"Voting with your wallet" is only a good idea if you are rich.

All it takes is one rich asshole with an agenda to outvote all Linux players of a game (let's say, someone with a Windows-only store that wants to get exclusive games by giving money to developers). Or even some slightly more affluent Windows gamer dude that pre-orders a more-than-full-price deluxe edition, paying several times more than I ever would. I buy relatively few games, almost always on sale, and with regional prices.

Even if you argue for strength in numbers... we aren't a majority. If we all banded together in a well-organized boycott, it would be a tall order to reduce sales by a few percent points. Not meaningless, of course, but I'm not sure if worth the effort. Heck, the visibility from being boycotted might get them more Windows sales than they lose.

My perception of the value of a game (and thus, likelihood to buy) is already affected by Linux support (and many other things). I won't buy a game I can't play. I am less likely to buy a game that has inferior support or requires too much effort. I don't need to discipline myself to not buy Windows-only games, because I already have a good reason to not do it. But if somehow a game is still worth buying despite not having native support, I will buy it. I won't hold back from doing stuff out of some delusion that I will make a difference for a big corporation.

Scoopta commented on 12 September 2019 at 3:17 am UTC

CyrilIdeally yeah I agree with this stance, but personally I don't always apply it, and for my side is a bit more complicated.
I don't mind buying some Windows only games released some years ago, but they have to be DRM-Free (and out of Steam).
I prefer buying a Windows DRM-free game on GOG than buying a native title on Steam, and I know a lot of people don't agree with this and/or really understand that position.
DRM is a nonsense, whatever OS, software, file you use, period. Same with Free software, right now I think I'm at 98% (If I don't count games of course).
"No tux, no bucks" is not harmful if you don't spam forums about it IMO. But I don't really like devs who ask the community about it and sometimes gives hopes for nothing. Just adding a +1 in a thread like some of us do is nice.

In the end, Linux games releases could help a lot for Linux adoption in general. Even if it's still proprietary games, if majority of people were using a nearly 100% Free software OS that would be better in many aspects!

Sorry to be a bit off topic!
Given you're talking about free software I assume that nvidia card is from a while ago and you haven't had a chance to upgrade.

dubigrasu commented on 12 September 2019 at 6:16 am UTC

I would add a third option to the poll: Useless.

Scoopta commented on 12 September 2019 at 6:26 am UTC

dubigrasuI would add a third option to the poll: Useless.
I'm not sure I can edit a poll

lucinos commented on 12 September 2019 at 8:23 am UTC

No Tux No Bucks: good (good habit)
Being a jerk: bad (bad habit)

In my case even before I completely switched to Linux (which in my case was a bit more than a decade ago) I had reduced my gaming quite a lot. In fact I have been gaming a lot less on windows than on Linux or ms-dos.

Then when I stopped using windows at all until 2013 I was just playing some free games, browser games and old scummvm/dosbox games.

At 2013 I just said, ok I will start buying a few new games again but obviously only Linux games, only games that looks interesting to me, only on sales, and bundles (in case of bundles not all games need to pass the criteria and I activate all of them), only on steam and drm-free (humble bundle/gog). That sure is very restring, no?

And fast forward today I have more than 500 games only on my steam library... Since I already have a huge backlog what is the point buying any game on a platform that I do not even have? So it is not for me that much of a principle as just a practical rule.

Cyril commented on 12 September 2019 at 3:01 pm UTC

ScooptaGiven you're talking about free software I assume that nvidia card is from a while ago and you haven't had a chance to upgrade.

Exactly, it costs resources and money. I don't intend to throw it out because it still works. My config is not perfect, but trying the open source driver is on my TODO list.

Hori commented on 12 September 2019 at 9:18 pm UTC

Kind of on the fence. I tend towards helpful but there's many aspects in which it isn't, or in which it's actually quite harmful.

I was more pro in the past, but now that Steam Play's been out for a while, I realised it was just my Linuxism (like nationalism but for OSes) talking.

I'm more like: Can I play it? If yes, I can buy it. I don't actually care if it runs natively, with a WINE wrapper, with Steam Play or with pixie dust and fairy magic.

If anything, I care more about the dev's reputation, manners and how they treat me especially and the other customers as well. (e.g. how some games got pulled out of Steam last minute to take that sweet Epic cash)

I'm gonna favour Linux, and of course I'm gonna give more chances to native games (because I expect them to be more stable and get more support) but it's not a huge decisional factor. Sometimes I even buy Windows games that don't work on Linux in any way whatsoever, if I really really want them, OR if my friends play them and they invite me too.

Just my 2 cents. I'm not gonna vote in the poll because I'm not sure what's best in this matter. I'd have voted for a "Neither" option if there was one.

jens commented on 13 September 2019 at 7:16 am UTC

I agree with @dubigrasu that it is kind of useless or insignificant due to the very small number of Linux players. That said I always favor native and otherwise use Steam Play only since it will go into the books as sold for Linux. I think that no one on any board of a bigger developer/publisher will notice some lonely Linux user posting on a forum that he will refuse a game due to not getting a Linux version, but I do think Linux may get some attention if it (unexpectedly) shows up in selling charts. Even more when there is a rising line. The visibility of Linux is more important to me than DRM thoughts.

In practice this results in me haven't touched e.g. Shadow of the Tomb Raider, I'm really looking forward to Feral's version and will buy it on day one in their store. Though my conscience felt absolutely fine when buying Resident Evil 2 Remake and probably soon Hitman 2 using Steam Play.

WorMzy commented on 13 September 2019 at 9:37 am UTC

I would say it's less about punishing bad devs (that don't support Linux), and more about rewarding good devs (that do support Linux). If you're just as likely to give a bad dev your money as a good dev, where's the incentive for devs to be good?

Bad devs are unlikely to notice or care if Linux gamers boycott them or not (it's a drop in the ocean to them), but good devs notice if they end up getting little or no return for their efforts.

I want devs to be good, ergo I support devs that port to Linux. I don't want devs to be bad, ergo I don't support devs that don't port to Linux.

No tux, no bucks.

I think it's a very helpful ethos for our community to adopt.

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