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Read about what's the point of competition laws. If Apple was some company with 5 users, no one would care what they exercise. However Apple have power over Web standards development due to having a huge market share (it doesn't have to be a monopoly to have such power). And not allowing competing browsers means they can dictate their garbage terms and everyone has to accept that. And they did it more than once, sabotaging touch events, DASH, WebGPU and other efforts that could go much better if not for Apple making a mess. For me it's clearly a case for anti-trust to handle.
The best solution is to fine Apple until they allow other stores which won't have any of their garbage restrictions, like ban on other browsers. Anti-trust frying them is very long overdue. So I hope Epic win and this disgusting thing will be explicitly prevented.
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Disgusting is the correct word for it.
By no means do I think Google is an angel in this, and I think they are only a tad better than Apple, but at least you basically know where Google stands. With Apple it is like that girl you thought was really hot, but then you started talking to her and she didn't have a lot going on upstairs...and had a limited imagination when it came to everything in life and was a spoiled brat to boot.
Google is more like the college roomate who kept drawing a dick on your face when you passed out at the party.
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By banning all other browsers under pretense that "they aren't secure", Apple can force developers who don't want to ignore their users (which is a significant user base), to use their proprietary APIs. That's the leverage they have over the whole industry and it's indeed disgusting and harmful to progress. Something anti-trust laws were explicitly designed to prevent but Apple managed to get away with it for years.
Finally someone is going after them about it (Epic), though in a different context, but it's really about the same issue. I.e. in more general terms, setting whatever bogus terms in their store and not allowing any other stores Apple have a lot of bad anti-competitive leverage over various industries (Web is just one major example) who don't want to ignore their user base.
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It is so frustrating and I am close to somebody *exactly like that. He would get not just me, but an entire group, into some new game and then lose interest just as we begin picking up momentum (starting a cool project, or finally beginning to become ferocious on public lobbies, etc).
The last game I tried to play with them was ARK:SE and it quickly became apparent that this behavior will never change. It even affects them within a single game, constantly starting new bases instead of building on top of something established to reach further in the game world. Victim of a market which rewards short attention spans? Fear of commitment? I only wish I could at least know why.
I run a softphone. 100% free software. It was a very easy choice to make.
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If it weren't for work, I'd probably just switch to using one of the Nokia feature phones.. I even bought one, then found out it was the wrong model and doesn't support T-mobile... always seems the phones I'd like are not compatible to the USA. Hopefully my Librem phone will show up some day!
Well, Apple is certainly no saint, but I trust Apple more than lots of shady stuff that would appear on people’s iPhones when they weren’t that strict. In that sense I agree with https://tirania.org/blog/archive/2020/Aug-28.html
Apple certainly has an interest in peoples wallets, but they also have to care that their ecosystem stays healthy and secure. I’m pretty sure that would no longer be the case when any shady app is allowed to run its own browser engine or payment system.
Please note that there are lots of people out there without any technical background or interest, you can’t expect everybody to know what lands on their devices, let alone really understand what may happen with their credit card numbers when being entered somewhere online.
I’m not saying that Apple cannot improve, there are certainly things that can better/more fair, though it is not that black and white imho.
Sorry for getting off-topic.
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Basically, they can't hide forest behind the trees - they are anti-competitive lock-in bullies. Security and the rest are just a pretense.
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Plus, not coping with a society's rules is perceived as "deviation", a decease, and those exhibiting deviant behavior must be isolated or disposed of. And like it or not, using Windows is a norm (as 95% of people are doing so) and using everything else is a deviation. All "normal" people are thinking you are a "freak". The reason for not of them outright bashing you are that most of them can hold themselves, while the remaining "highly impulsive" ones can not restrain themselves from "doing the right thing" of correcting you and putting you on the right path.
"Stop alienating yourself in the society! Just be like everyone else! Just use Windows!" Most of these "trolls" are not "trolling" just to "have fun". They are thinking they are doing yourself a favor.
It is not all "doom and gloom" though. There is a thing called Overton's Window to slowly change the very definitions of "norm" and "deviation". The keyword is "slowly".
That's why I stopped preaching on every corn er about how "Linux is superior" and just started to use it on my work. Now, even die-hard Windows fans among my colleagues can see Linux is not just a "toy for freaks", but a stable and update-free system.
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But yeah, I think you are 100% correct about the trolls. Granted I also have always been one to run with the underdog. Then again, I have also tended to think they are the better solutions than their competitor's, but because people tend toward cheap over quality, the better product tends to lose. (Take for example any early version of Windows against the Amiga, or beta vs VHS...) I mean going back in time, the Apple Machintosh didn't even have color displays for a bit after they were first introduced, but because they got into schools and their high price demanded that they clearly must be so much better than the Amiga or Atari ST... yet both of those platforms at times could run Mac software better than the Mac...