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...we all know that nothing is going to improve with the current US administration.

I see, so it's somehow Trump's fault that this developer started using AI and feels the need to obfuscate it after facing criticism.

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I've been a Patreon supporter of Lutris since 2019. That ended the minute I read his reply. I'm instead going to spend that money on some other project. One that doesn't use generative AI...

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Quoting: Linux_RocksWould running with a rifle be safer than running with scissors? 🤔

Neither is safe. Running with spoons is safe. Anyone wanna do a Egg-and-spoon race video game?

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Imo he is not wrong. As an experienced dev, especially getting assist by claude pro is really helpful. He knows what he wants, he prompts it, he doesn't have to type it. It saves an insane amount of time. Reading code and verifying it is what you requested is way less time consuming than typing it on your own.

Most people's stance against LLM generated code is because many people have tried it, created stuff with it, which was bad because they were not experienced devs. LLMs are a new tool, you need to learn how to use it like in any other field. If you master it, it helps. Experienced devs master it way easier and better than beginners.

I'm specifically not saying AI, as there is no intelligence. They don't "think". They are just good at giving the impression they are intelligent or think. They are just incredible good at guessing and have an enormous data pool to get their info from and do their guesses on.

And claude is impressively good at coding.

I also think he should not hide it. But I can understand his reasons. Social pressure is real. So what to choose? Getting depressed because people are not well enough informed and are targeting you, or deciding to keep your mental peace? This is a personal thing, not everybody has the power to withstand the pressure of so many people.

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I haven't used Lutris for sometime now because I just prefer Steam and Heroic but I surely have nothing against it.
Let's wait and see if the launcher is going to start falling apart because of bad AI-generated code and if the project is going to survive after what the maintainer did.

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Can you even truly claim it's open source when it's using AI generated code?

Of course it still is.

What you can not tell is if it violates OTHER projects copyrights / copyleft the LLM was trained on. It's more of a legal minefield rather than it not being open source. For example if it [the LLM] spilled out GPL-3 code they would have to attribute this. But since it is LLM code the developers themselves don't know.

So in any occasion IF some one can find "their" code in Lutirs they can probably sue them.

I can understand them [the developer]. Especially for an FOSS project this big. Users often times just request random features or bright up issues one singular person is barely able to fix.

If we're being honest most FOSS projects are maintained by like one or maybe two people. While tons of others made like one commit and never show up to further support the project. Neither by bug fixing, testing nor financially but expect the core devs to do so.

So yes there is no issue in using LLMs to make that two core developers more productive and keep up with the pressure. While entitled users argue about LLM code and "cancel" the developers?

As long as Lutris overall does not decrease in quality, which is often the pitfall by people NOT knowing how to code and just vibe in the hopes it works, there is no issue here.

Also we don't know how many PRs by other peoples which are merged with Lutris are actual LLM code themselves. Yet ppl hate on Mathieu?

PS.: I would not call this "AI" as none of these tools are truly intelligent.

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The developer of Lutris has always been a jerk, so I just use Heroic + Steam and forget that Lutris exists

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: CaldathrasInteresting. I was forced to 580 from the 550 series. Wasn't given a choice. Based on the link below, Nvidia no longer supports the 550 series, by the way:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

To do that I had to drop my kernel to 6.14 (which is now also unsupported I think) and remove one line from the code. But any drive above that messes up my VR (among other things), so it has to be done.

hey man, I'm trying since weeks to get back to 565 from currently 580
It updated automatically and it seems like I have no choice or way back....

I'm on POP OS (No wayland) and kernel 6.17.9-76061709-generic

Is there actually a way to get back to 565.77? Can you please tell me how?

Not exactly and it'll take a bit of doing. But I installed the old packages from the Launchpad PPA. This failed because the glue module wouldn't compile. Then I just went through the compile log and tried to fix the errors. Doing that for a "too old" driver on a "too new" kernel was just too much, so I enabled the older kernel from before my distupgrade. This combo only required commenting out a single line from the driver to make it compile.

There's not exactly a manual for this and if it's still broken after a reboot then you'll have to continue from the console. So if you're not prepared to just do it and deal with whatever happens, it may be easier to just downgrade the whole system.

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This is not the first time he is in a controversy because of how he handles critique (valid or otherwise), and he pretty much react the same way each time.

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Everyone who things he should not reduce his work with using AI: Step in and do this work, or STFU!

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Is there anything like lutris that has installers for old games?

I like heroic but I like to use lutris for old abandonware games because it has community scripts that automatically handle patches, fixes ect

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Quoting: dpanterYou can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

I really should've trusted you there...

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Quoting: F.UltraThey actually do (to some extent), if you are a songwriter you have to register each work you create to PRS. Organizations that then pay license to PRS have to also track which song is played so the payouts is actually divided per how much your music was played.

How much of this is "in theory"?

Because that seems like an (in reality) impossible task outside planned organised events like a music festival.

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Quoting: dpanterYou can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

Do you have any idea what sentences like "do not push this button!" do to me? 😆
But you're right, not my cup of tea.

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Would running with a rifle be safer than running with scissors? 🤔

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Quoting: dpanterYou can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

Each to their own I guess, IMHO it was far more lame than a CoD trailer.

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Quoting: Linux_RocksStill not about to weep for Valve if they lose. lol

This is such a strange attitude to bring to a Linux forum. I don't get it.

I suppose if you only do native gaming, perhaps only buying on GOG and Itch, and so you don't benefit at all from Proton, and don't care about, or for, Valve as a company, that's a valid stance. Even then, you're overlooking the effects of groundswell they've created for Linux by shipping the Steam Deck and promising a Steam Machine, or pushing SteamOS. That groundswell is a big part of why indies still push out Linux builds, from which you benefit.

But I guess if you can overlook all that, AND you don't use Steam ever, then you won't care if Valve are forced to put ID verification in Steam?

But that's a lot of overlooking. And hardly a lol moment.

No, I don't care about Valve as a company. I don't care about any evil corporations. I use their service cause it's usually the best option on PC. Not outta some loyalty to them (for which there is none). I hate Microsoft, but I've still got an Xbox Series X and buy Play Anywhere titles. There's no loyalty to be had with any of them, even if you've got preferences still.

Just cause Valve does a lot for Linux doesn't mean that I owe them shit. I've already spent far more than I ever should've on Steam. The need for evil corporations to fund open source development is an unfortunate symptom of this primitive bourgeois society that we live in. Something that we just gotta deal with.

Furthermore, Valve and their support of Linux isn't just outta the goodness of Gaben's heart or something. It's cause it benefits them and their profits. (Along with them not wanting to bow to Microsoft.) We only just happen to benefit cause of it.

Then as far as ID verification in general is concerned, if the ruling classes want it, it's gonna happen. I think that it's bullshit too, but it's been 1984 for a while now. The irony being that the imperialist propagandists criticize(d) socialist countries for any surveillance.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: BladePupperThe cards you get are used to play the actual game whereas the skins from say CS2 are basically only used to cash in and maybe pay for a steam game.

Agree with most of your post except this bit. MtG packs are not "necessary" to play the game. You buy the base pack and you're good to go.

That is . . . true in some sort of technical sense. But it has nothing to do with the actual experience of anyone playing Magic.

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IMHO, this is going to do nothing. There are a lot of parents who will ignore the age rating. What they need to do is ban all loot boxes or, as EA calls them, "surprise mechanics,” and limit in-game real money purchases to 18++, which includes buying in-game currency with real money

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I don't have a problem with people using AI to assist with them building a program. I just take issue with AI being used to generate slop in videogames, movies, entertainment products in general that take away jobs from artists and voice actors/actresses. For instance, I don't have a problem buying a piece of software or using a piece of software that was almost entirely AI written, but I refuse to pay money to go see a movie that was almost entirely designed with AI. I see programming as something that will be drastically improved by AI over time and can put useful tools in peoples hands, whereas AI generated slop that is infiltrating every aspect of the entertainment industry simply hurts most people. I prefer to see humans being human in creative works, not AI pretending to be human in creative works. I know it might seem like I've created a double standard but I genuinely do not feel that way about this. There are real uses for AI and programming is one of them. It is going to take away jobs from talented programmers, but the invention of refrigerators did the same to the ice trade. There's **always** going to be a desire for humans to want to see real humans in movies/tv shows, but hardly anybody cares if AI generated the functions running in the background of their software.

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Quoting: ZlopezI think the lootboxes wouldn't be issue at all if you always get things in value of the price of opening lootbox. This is how plenty of mystery boxes are working (with exception of trading cards, as the amount of some cards is scarce by design). If you just have same amount of all the items of same rarity tier and have set value for them it would not be gambling as you will always get the value you paid for.

Welllll . . . the things in Valve lootboxes, being cosmetic, are all essentially worth nothing. But since they tell you that up front, they are certainly all worth exactly what they told you they were worth, and all worth the same. Nobody really has a complaint coming when they open a Valve lootbox and get something worthless; "worthless thing inside" was effectively what it said on the tin. 😝

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Quoting: EWGEspecially good for books, CDs, DVDs/Blu-Rays if you ask me.

No, nope, definitely not. Clearly asking you would be, in my case, a terrible idea. I'm picky. Random books, CDs, DVDs would almost all be worth zero to me. Less than zero, because they would take up bookshelf space and I'm running out already. So yeah, I wouldn't take mystery random boxes of that kind of thing if you offered them to me for free.

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Quoting: dpanterYou can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

Damnit 😳

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Quoting: GustyGhostOne thing I've learned is that the masses will always make the wrong choice. Large populations of humans do not make decisions that collectively help the best interests of themselves or others.

I think that's a very anti-democratic stance to take.
I argue that people do tend to make the right choice, so long as they are informed and not under duress. The problem is that people are subject to a great deal of propaganda and hardship to keep them from making better choices.

I have friends who want to switch to things like Linux who are just so burnt out that they don't have the mental energy to make the change. Even if it turned out to be easy for them, making that choice and starting the process of doing that is not nothing.

The world would be a better place if everyone had access to good journalism, healthcare, and a full night of sleep.

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The big problem here is not so much whether AI was being used for it, but that the AI contributions are being hidden when there's feedback on it.

If it wasn't, then anyone could have forked the project if they didn't want to use the AI contributions.

The forked project could then just weed out the AI contributions in a simple manner without having to go through the code line-by-line to hopefully spot whatever vulnerabilities or bugs the AI might have added.

Start fresh with just the human-made code and fix whatever was wrong with that.

Wherever the rights of AI or projects using AI end up at, it would have secured the potential for a project like Lutris to exist without it.

Lutris' maintainers could have just said "Yep, we're using AI. Fork it if you're not happy with it."

Done.

No knee-jerk reaction. They could have kept up complaining about not having enough contributors as they have for years now.

It's the assholery of it which is egregious and a point of concern for many beyond the use of AI.

Having said that, I vehemetly disagree with the use of AI for any FOSS projects. Please keep it far away from me.

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Honestly, I would have accepted his argument if he didn't decide to hide it.
I definitely get too much secondhand propaganda due to a family member in enterprise software, but the quote (emphasized bit aside) seems broadly correct to me.

I still hate generative AI, it's still seemingly the culprit behind half of every problem I see in the world. I do at least understand the perspective of people who are trying to make the best of it.

And, sort of relevant to all of us is that Linus Torvalds seems to at least selectively approve of AI tools, even though he also condemns slop, etc. Not saying how anyone should feel about that, but I feel it bears acknowledging in this context.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: CaldathrasInteresting. I was forced to 580 from the 550 series. Wasn't given a choice. Based on the link below, Nvidia no longer supports the 550 series, by the way:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

To do that I had to drop my kernel to 6.14 (which is now also unsupported I think) and remove one line from the code. But any drive above that messes up my VR (among other things), so it has to be done.

hey man, I'm trying since weeks to get back to 565 from currently 580
It updated automatically and it seems like I have no choice or way back....

I'm on POP OS (No wayland) and kernel 6.17.9-76061709-generic

Is there actually a way to get back to 565.77? Can you please tell me how?

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Quoting: ShadowXeldronprobably lead to more age verification rubbish

Not really. Just include a blacklist and report-system in your game and you are fine, otherwise game 18+. What I worry more about: does it apply to all online games, even those which you only play with friends via internet-connection? It would be stupid to make a 7+ game 18+, just for a chat that is meant to communicate with known friends. But I am not entirely sure if such games are included.

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Surprised that I played nearly ten hours of the first one. I remember enjoying it, but it looks like this was back in 2017, and I didn't have much of an online cadre of pals back then, so the lure wasn't really there.

Love the look of this. Definitely going on the wishlist!

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