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Tested on Radeon HD 7870, [email protected], Ubuntu 16.10. Yes!! It works! Installation worked flawlessly. OpenGL in Blender, check! H.264 Baseline GPU encoding/rendering support, check! Dying Light works, but low framerate around 25 fps at low to medium settings. Rust slower than on RadeonSI (Padoka PPL). Metro Redux vastly slower than on RadeonSI. Xonotic about as fast or slightly faster than RadeonSI. Haven't checked Vulkan yet. So glad AMD kept its promise. Now I hope to see further optimization.

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: g000hFrom reading all the various comments, I'm tending to believe that Hitman (2016) is the most likely game port. The next comments are talking about big, popular games, rather than my expectations for the Feral port...

If one of the companies who has released big, popular titles, maybe titles getting on a bit, but still incredibly popular, to Linux then there would be a decent amount of profit to be made.

For me, two of the biggest absent titles are: "Witcher 3" (CDPR) and "Elder Scrolls Skyrim" (Bethesda). It's my opinion that if either of those titles were released to Linux, millions of pounds could be made from the relatively small market share of Linux gamers.

One of the other big big titles, namely "Civilization 6" is already in the works being ported and expected any day now. (The same was true of "Civilization 5" - It is/was massively popular with Windows gamers, it had a Linux port, and a big wad of money was generated from happy Linux users.)

I agree.If Witcher 3 and Skyrim:SE comes to Linux,there will be a massive interest.

For example;my brothers Steam library is in share with my account and he has Skyrim Se.In this case,(even i had chance to play it from my bros account)i would purchase it again to support.

No chance of either more likely to get Witcher 3 if CD project red could be convinced there was a big enough demand

I think Witcher3 is highly unlikely.They announced that they're done with Witcher3 and get fully focused on Cyberpunk 2077.They're also abandoned Linux GOG client project.Which is why i buy my Linux games from Steam only.There are some people who said 'I buy my Linux games from GOG because it's drm free.'Well,they completely abandon and dislike Linux community.Why should i buy from them,instead of Valve?

About Skyrim.I'm way more hopeful about it.Because Skyrim is heading for Nintendo Switch,which use Vulkan.Of course Bethesda won't publish it directly,because in that case they must provide support for Linux version too.Bethesda won't desire that,they're already so slow at Windows support side already.But Feral or Aspyr can simply buy license for it and make it happen on Linux.

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Quoting: Dribbleondoif what I've been reading is (still) true, it kicks you out mid-mission if you lose connection for any reason.

It's not "The Crew" levels of kicking you out, so it's not THAT bad. It allows for you to retry connecting without quitting the mission. But yes, if you can't reconnect, then you have to restart the mission in offline mode. Annoying? yes.

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I got this game after having read about it here and I have to say it's proven to be very enjoyable!
A true homage to the old sidescrollers with a dash of puzzler. Due to my schedule I don't have time to play it through in one go, but I'm enjoying every second of it while I can.

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Pre-ordering doesn't make sense to begin with. Why would you pay for something before it's ready? That's why I never view crowdfunding as pre-ordering, but as investment. When you enable its creation, that's something I can support. Pre-ordering on the other hand - I see no point in.

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Quoting: uraeusI think if people look at crowdfunding as a version of pre-ordering then supporting a crowdfunded game does not makes sense. However if you look at it as 'Do I want to see this project that would otherwise not go forward happen bad enough to put some money into it and maybe it will succeed' then supporting crowdfunding campaigns make sense. I have personally supported probably 25 projects and due to doing some serious evaluation of each project I only had 4 of them go bad so far. I also never put in more than 15-20 dollars so that if the project fails I can write off the loss without regrets. But just before the crowdfunding tend to offer you a copy of the game as a reward don't start categorising this as 'buying' in your head, because if you do then of course it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, the article sums up the risk side--what you should watch for to maximize the chance of a game, with Linux on it, coming out the other end. But of course that's just one side of the equation--the other is, is it worth the risk to you? If a crowdfunded game is just something pretty normal but incrementally better/different from what's out there anyway, there's no point accepting much risk to get it. If on the other hand it is exactly your personal game fetish and there is no hope of normal game publishing corporations making such a thing because it's outside their radar of what a "game that sells with a genre we understand" is supposed to be, then it might be worth it to take a bigger risk.

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Well, if it makes you feel better, it's not platform-specific. It's easy to find such threads about XBox One and people never solved this. At least I managed to find how the game initiates the session. From the look of it, the game detects IP/port just fine but for some reason doesn't start the actual game session. It sends a single UDP packet that's not STUN-related and that's all. With another player it works as intended so it's probably a bad implementation of a really nice idea. It should have allowed to play even when both (or more) players are behind ISP NATs as long as port numbers are not altered by the ISP. Unfortunately, there's no debug info about these connection attempts so it's impossible to say why it fails.

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: g000hFrom reading all the various comments, I'm tending to believe that Hitman (2016) is the most likely game port. The next comments are talking about big, popular games, rather than my expectations for the Feral port...

If one of the companies who has released big, popular titles, maybe titles getting on a bit, but still incredibly popular, to Linux then there would be a decent amount of profit to be made.

For me, two of the biggest absent titles are: "Witcher 3" (CDPR) and "Elder Scrolls Skyrim" (Bethesda). It's my opinion that if either of those titles were released to Linux, millions of pounds could be made from the relatively small market share of Linux gamers.

One of the other big big titles, namely "Civilization 6" is already in the works being ported and expected any day now. (The same was true of "Civilization 5" - It is/was massively popular with Windows gamers, it had a Linux port, and a big wad of money was generated from happy Linux users.)

I agree.If Witcher 3 and Skyrim:SE comes to Linux,there will be a massive interest.

For example;my brothers Steam library is in share with my account and he has Skyrim Se.In this case,(even i had chance to play it from my bros account)i would purchase it again to support.

No chance of either more likely to get Witcher 3 if CD project red could be convinced there was a big enough demand

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Quoting: g000hFrom reading all the various comments, I'm tending to believe that Hitman (2016) is the most likely game port. The next comments are talking about big, popular games, rather than my expectations for the Feral port...

If one of the companies who has released big, popular titles, maybe titles getting on a bit, but still incredibly popular, to Linux then there would be a decent amount of profit to be made.

For me, two of the biggest absent titles are: "Witcher 3" (CDPR) and "Elder Scrolls Skyrim" (Bethesda). It's my opinion that if either of those titles were released to Linux, millions of pounds could be made from the relatively small market share of Linux gamers.

One of the other big big titles, namely "Civilization 6" is already in the works being ported and expected any day now. (The same was true of "Civilization 5" - It is/was massively popular with Windows gamers, it had a Linux port, and a big wad of money was generated from happy Linux users.)

I agree.If Witcher 3 and Skyrim:SE comes to Linux,there will be a massive interest.

For example;my brothers Steam library is in share with my account and he has Skyrim Se.In this case,(even i had chance to play it from my bros account)i would purchase it again to support.

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Quoting: g000hFrom reading all the various comments, I'm tending to believe that Hitman (2016) is the most likely game port. The next comments are talking about big, popular games, rather than my expectations for the Feral port...

If one of the companies who has released big, popular titles, maybe titles getting on a bit, but still incredibly popular, to Linux then there would be a decent amount of profit to be made.

For me, two of the biggest absent titles are: "Witcher 3" (CDPR) and "Elder Scrolls Skyrim" (Bethesda). It's my opinion that if either of those titles were released to Linux, millions of pounds could be made from the relatively small market share of Linux gamers.

One of the other big big titles, namely "Civilization 6" is already in the works being ported and expected any day now. (The same was true of "Civilization 5" - It is/was massively popular with Windows gamers, it had a Linux port, and a big wad of money was generated from happy Linux users.

I dont think we are ever going to see Witcher 3 i know it was promised but take a look at the twitter feed on they pretty much killed that project. They did not want to use VP again due to negative press i remember a while back they were promising either a native version or an in house port. Both of those options are very very expensive it is much cheaper and easier to licence the game to a company like Feral or Asypr to do the port as they have to support the game on release.

Bethesda not a chance in hell they are extremely anti Linux, mainly due to acquisition of ID When john mcormack was head of Id studios for Zenimax he said no we tried to make linux a gaming platform in the early 00's we wont be trying that again. He is of course referring to the release of Quake Arena 3 and a few other titles released at that time. Although not at Id anymore his dislike of Linux is clearly en grained on whoever replaced him. Bethesda would argue they would not see a good enough return on investment ie hiring of Linux specifc coders/support staff man hours etc to make it worth their while. They could of course bring in Feral/ASpyr to do it but they wont.

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From reading all the various comments, I'm tending to believe that Hitman (2016) is the most likely game port. The next comments are talking about big, popular games, rather than my expectations for the Feral port...

If one of the companies who has released big, popular titles, maybe titles getting on a bit, but still incredibly popular, to Linux then there would be a decent amount of profit to be made.

For me, two of the biggest absent titles are: "Witcher 3" (CDPR) and "Elder Scrolls Skyrim" (Bethesda). It's my opinion that if either of those titles were released to Linux, millions of pounds could be made from the relatively small market share of Linux gamers.

One of the other big big titles, namely "Civilization 6" is already in the works being ported and expected any day now. (The same was true of "Civilization 5" - It is/was massively popular with Windows gamers, it had a Linux port, and a big wad of money was generated from happy Linux users.)

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Quoting: GuestThis might change your mind.

Well, people keep asking for Skyrim and Feral keeps saying "they would love to"; but that does not necessarily mean that Bethesda would let them... But I admit, Warner Bros. did contract Feral to make macOS ports for licensed Lego games; so it is a valid posibility. But, do you remember Lego Minifigures Online which was also available on Linux? It is dead now; the game was shut down on every platform a year after its release on Linux.

This so much WB also promised Arkham Knight it never happened but Mad Max did and its a pretty good game not ground breaking but its fun. Weird side notes uses same engine as Batman very few performance problems Batman had so many problems WB didnt know how to fix them so how Feral were expected to is beyond me. I think Feral are probably by now the go too Linux porter Aspyr do some good work too though.

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I tried to connect to another Linux player (and the other way around) and no luck this time. So the right answer to the question asked is: it depends on your luck. Wireshark shows several STUN requests so I think the game doesn't listen to any UDP port but instead binds a random one and sends to the other side. Most of the packets Wireshark marks as "GVSP" protocol, that's probably an error in detection. Other than that, the log is flooded with this (coming from me to the other player):
Simple Traversal of UDP Through NAT
    Message Type: Binding Request (0x0001)
    Message Length: 0x0024
    Message Transaction ID: 684e6b382b68454f6a4938394e2b5547

In the end, this should depend on the type of NAT both of you use. And it's not a simple topic.

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Quoting: DribbleondoThe game has an Offline Mode, which carries over achieved suits and weapons, you just can't see your score or do elusive targets =P. You can alos do the story completely offline if you really wanted to, you just need to be online to Unlock anything.

The requirement for being online to unlock anything is my main issue. It's a singleplayer game where a single mission can last over an hour, and, if what I've been reading is (still) true, it kicks you out mid-mission if you lose connection for any reason. Blood Money didn't need to always be online to give us unlocks and scores. Silent Assassin (IIRC) didn't either. There isn't a good reason for it to require a connection all the time for unlocking stuff and I may not be able to unlock anything thanks to it. My only options are to either pay up to $60 for a game that's arbitrarily locking me out of content it shouldn't, pay a ton for one of those 4G internet service things on top of the up to $60 for the game, or just not waste my money, time, and data cap.

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Quoting: GuestThis might change your mind.

Well, people keep asking for Skyrim and Feral keeps saying "they would love to"; but that does not necessarily mean that Bethesda would let them... But I admit, Warner Bros. did contract Feral to make macOS ports for licensed Lego games; so it is a valid posibility. But, do you remember Lego Minifigures Online which was also available on Linux? It is dead now; the game was shut down on every platform a year after its release on Linux.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/lego-minifigures-online-released-for-linux-some-thoughts.5590
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/lego-minifigures-online-shutting-down-say-goodbye-to-our-first-official-lego-game.7313

Personally, I find all that lisenced Lego video games or even products silly. Lego that I know from my childhood was to build stuff, not to pretend that it's darn Luke Skywalker... I was a K'Nex kid anyway. :-P

Quoting: elbuglione"Anything older that 2 years is quate a low posibility"
If the game is popular, this "rule" can be bronken...
eg: Overlord (2007), KOTOR II (2004), etc...

"I do not expect any FF games on Linux any time soon, nor I care"
I don't expect (and don't want) FFXIII or FFXV...
but, I really want the olds Final Fantasy like FFXII, X, IX, VII, VIII, etc (the real's JRPG)... or actuals JRPG's like "Ni No Kuni II" or "Dragon Quest XI".
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one...

Overlord was ported by VP and KOTOR II was ported by Aspyr. VP ports and WINE ports are expected to be for older games, that's true. Aspyr's KOTOR II and Feral's DoW2 releases are quite suprising. I guess Feral simply aware of lack of RTS for Linux gaming, that is why they keep investing for it further. KOTOR 2 and Borderlands 2 were Aspyr's market experiments to check the actual demand. So, when it comes to Feral we should expect newer games; I still bet on Hitman.

I hardly expect any "Japanese" titles for GNU/Linux platform.

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Quoting: iskaputt

Quoting: Shmerl... I'm willing to take some more risk as a Linux user than usual, just to demonstrate said demand.

But there lies a problem, you *cannot* demonstrate Linux demand. Not until there is some "Linux or money back" checkbox when you pledge.

You can, when developers ask for it, and you comment to them about your Linux interests. For example, developers of Underworld Ascendant collected that info, and based on feedback announced Linux support.

And, as a Linux backer, no one stops you from commenting. Developers are paying attention.

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Quoting: Shmerl... I'm willing to take some more risk as a Linux user than usual, just to demonstrate said demand.

But there lies a problem, you *cannot* demonstrate Linux demand. Not until there is some "Linux or money back" checkbox when you pledge.

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Some more info. Yesterday we tried that setup, two on Linux, one on Windows and it seemed a bit weird. When the Windows guy connected, the other Linux one couldn't connect (dropped right after entering the session). So the connect order matters for us, at least when I host on Linux. First the Linux connects, Windows goes second. We played a couple of missions without any issues then. Going to try with one more Linux player so it would be 3 Linuxes and 1 Windows.

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Quoting: ShmerlThey answered the question about cloaks though:

Quote@Feargus: By the way, will cloaks work on Linux this time around?

Feargus [developer]
I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, because I am pretty sure we've gone with a completely different system.

Another comment from Feargus, just to reinforce what you were saying.

"We have gone with a totally different rendering system for cloaks, so you are all good on Linux."

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If they could port over Skyrim Special Edition then it would be AMAZE BALLS! But I'm pretty sure Bethesda would outright say NO in a very loud and angry voice. Bethesda is kinda anti-Linux....

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On my Fury X with the latest patch at Ultra details at 2560x1440 (because that's how I game), I get the following:

Debian Stretch, Mesa 17-rc2 results:
Average FPS: 55.06
Max FPS: 131.56
Min FPS: 8.85

Ubuntu 16.04.1, AMDGPU Pro 16.60 results:
Average FPS: 34.42
Max FPS: 84.70
Min FPS: 4.18

Ubuntu 14.04.5, Catalyst 15.302-151217a results:
/mnt/gaming/steam/steamapps/common/ShadowOfMordor/bin/ShadowOfMordor: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by /mnt/gaming/steam/steamapps/common/ShadowOfMordor/bin/../lib/x86_64/libicui18n.so.51)
/mnt/gaming/steam/steamapps/common/ShadowOfMordor/bin/ShadowOfMordor: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by /mnt/gaming/steam/steamapps/common/ShadowOfMordor/bin/../lib/x86_64/libicuuc.so.51)

Yuck! The requirements list 14.04.2 as the minimum OS requirement, so there's no reason this shouldn't work. Fortunately Feral haven't broken the libraries they ship with Dawn of War 2 (yet), so we can just use those.

/mnt/gaming/steam/steamapps/common/ShadowOfMordor/lib/x86_64/
cp ../../../Dawn\ of\ War\ 2/lib/x86_64/libicu* .

This works, except the graphics are all corrupted on Ultra rendering the game now unplayable (which I'm sure never used to be the case) so we have to select Very High. We then get the results:

Average FPS: 28.39
Max FPS: 114.70
Min FPS: 8.09

In short, anyone using proprietary drivers should switch, and while it's really nice to see Feral update their games, it seems their QA for these updates are somewhat lacking.

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Back in the day, I Kickstarted several games, all of which promised Linux versions, most of which panned out quite well: Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Planetary Annhiliation, and War for the Overworld. Akaniero: Demon Hunters was a waste of my money and it's free now, with a 35% positive rating. I have also prepurchased Torment:Tides of Numenara (can't wait).

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From what I've heard about The Witness, I would be very interested in getting it for Linux. But his words don't inspire any hope.

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The synopsis sounded cool but I gotta say that, other than the HD resolution, it looks like it came out in 1996.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80No the way porting works is Square pay Feral a fee to port the game sometimes it can tie the amount to the profits from the Linux version.

Porters have different business models. Feral actually publish every port they do, so it's not quite as simple as a bit of contract work. We have no idea how these deals are negotiated and what kind of financial agreements they make. Why would we even care, as long as they keep porting great games to Linux?

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I agree with those who said above, that crowdfunding from the backers' perspective involves estimating the risk. But to add to that, crowdfunding also is often used by developers for estimating the demand. From that perspective, I'm willing to take some more risk as a Linux user than usual, just to demonstrate said demand. But surely, it's much easier to back developers with proven record of high quality Linux games, than total newcomers without any history.

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Quoting: PixelPi

Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: PixelPiBut suppose it is Hitman 2016, why is there no Mac port?

Maybe Square has not authorised that they have to pay because there is no way they are going to start linux ports in house. Mind you having square bring hitman over if it is that one does potentially mean they may be open to bringing just cause over

Sorry, don't understand. Do you mean that Square makes the Mac port in house and not over Feral?

No the way porting works is Square pay Feral a fee to port the game sometimes it can tie the amount to the profits from the Linux version. Bottom Line Feral are not doing shit unless they are being paid for it rightly so. So if Square wants a Mac port they will have to pay Feral to do it it. Because Square will never ever have a linux team to make native Linux ports. Well unless Vulkan really really takes off which would make the game code identical even down to the api you just need to mod the launcher.

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Some huge performance drops for me unfortunately on GTX970 :( The benchmark is better but in actual game it keeps stuttering much...

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Quoting: kibblesMetal Gear Solid V

ok... That's simply not gonna happinting.

but.. we can dream!!

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Quoting: rea987

Quoting: elbuglioneasuming Feral do not get a new Partner... for now can be:
2K, SEGA, Codemasters, Warner Bros or SquareEnix.

Anything older that 2 years is quate a low posibility. I hardly think Feral would bother to port DoW1 and CoH1; those were heavily discounted and bundled in the past. DoW3 is possible BTW...

Deus Ex games would be wonderful but Human Revolution was sold for a dollar couple years ago, so Feral would make no profit from it.

Total War games are highly likely.

I do not expect any FF games on Linux any time soon, nor I care..

Lara Croft ad Tomb Raider games would make sense due to success of the last port.

Anything from Codemasters is possible. :-D

2K seems to doing business with Aspyr rather than Feral recently in the case of Linux.

I have no expectation from WB...

"Anything older that 2 years is quate a low posibility"
If the game is popular, this "rule" can be bronken...
eg: Overlord (2007), KOTOR II (2004), etc...

"I do not expect any FF games on Linux any time soon, nor I care"
I don't expect (and don't want) FFXIII or FFXV...
but, I really want the olds Final Fantasy like FFXII, X, IX, VII, VIII, etc (the real's JRPG)... or actuals JRPG's like "Ni No Kuni II" or "Dragon Quest XI".
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one...

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