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Was the Steam Machines even available outside of the US? I wanted to buy one but none of them appeared in Australia.

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This is what happens when developers use Microsoft limitware like DirectX.

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Windows 10 is 100% spyware, I wouldn't let that monstrosity onto any machine I own, if I had to buy one that included it I'd wipe it the first time I switch it on & install Linux, Never Windows 10!

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I was waiting as well for this linux port. Quite sad if it does not happen.


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QuoteI hope they will sort these issues out. That's probably another reason to start with OpenGL rather than DX..

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Quote"And penalise 90%+ of your clients to make life easier for the 2%? OpenGL has limitations that DX doesn't."

If you start with OpenGL you won't penalise anyone appart yourself a bit of extrawork on the earlier stage of the devloppment. But in Everspace case it is too late. That's why linux user push so earlier for linux adoption, in order to make it happen. Otherwise devs when encountering problems just give up. What is weird is that they don't not get this problem on MAC :(

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: meggermanThe word 'developer' has it's definition stretched WAY too far way too often.

That's a bit like saying the word "academic" is stretched too far too often. It's a general term that applies to a wide range of specialists. I'm a developer, but that just means I develop software. Nothing more.

I agree. Thats my point. Until we identify why such lackluster support and often what seem like excuses are traded we can't begin to understand if it is Linux that is at fault or the developer .. or both. So we can't improve Linux and get more titles on the platform.

It is my experience that many ( admittedly indie ) devs are artists with some game engine knowledge and basic Java / C+ understanding.That is to say desktop specific issues, niggles or OpenGL quirks cannot even begin to be dealt with. It's just therefore easier to blame OpenGL / Linux rather than accept they don't know what they are doing and don't have the time to work it out.




caveat* not every 'developer' is the same as there are success stories. But clearly there is a trend here hence the discussion.

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QuoteSo while SteamOS momentum may be slow, Linux gaming in general is still doing rather well in my opinion. Just look at how many games have been ported this year despite SteamOS and Steam Machines not doing so well in terms of sales.

I also think, as long as nothing really *big* happens, gaming on linux will also be a thing in the future. With Vulkan and more and more engines having (better) linux support, there is just less reason to not support linux (even if its market share wont make you rich alone), which just accelerates the whole progress.
Also Valve would be really dumb, if they would dump linux and all their effort they put into it just as it starts to gain momentum - which in return, companies like Epic and Unity know, making them willing to invest in good cross-platform support.

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I believe that the "open platform" part of Windows is still in danger.
Microsoft's push towards closed ecosystem is still very much in progress.
Valve's concerns which lead to the creation of SteamOS are still valid.
Therefore it is even more important that SteamOS / Steam Machines don't get completely scrapped, as they will be needed in the future as an alternative to Microsoft's walled garden.

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I'm sorry to doubt the Dell argument about steam machine, as windows 8 and 8.1 still have better performances over windows 10 and 7 on gaming.

And now that windows 10 is going even more against gamers with UWP platform, with lower perf than windows 7 and 8.1, microsoft is fine for dell?

This does not make much sens, but most of the devs intervening on that debate was saying the same as dell, and in the end many of them have accepted to work on UWP which really is a shame for them.

Luckily as you say Liam, Linux gaming is still growing, and getting better everyday thx to the devs who actually care of other platforms and don't fall in the UWP windows 10 only trap.

If steam don't get too much money from MS to accept to make crossplatform with UWP it will be a good point for valve in the future of Linux gaming.

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Quoting: EhvisWith the Vulkan renderer, performance was almost instantly at DX11 levels. So very good for Linux users. Unfortunately, it's also very unstable for me (hard lock ups). From what I've seen on the beta threads, this instability is specific to the GTX970. Any others here have the same experience?

I had one lockup while running the benchmark with my GTX 660 (driver 375.10). Never occured again.

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Well that saves me a few quid then.

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Quoting: meggermanThe word 'developer' has it's definition stretched WAY too far way too often.

That's a bit like saying the word "academic" is stretched too far too often. It's a general term that applies to a wide range of specialists. I'm a developer, but that just means I develop software. Nothing more.

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Sounds like usual issues during development. I expect these to be fairly fixable.
Otherwise this would be a real downer cause I was really looking forward for this game.

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Quoting: MyeulCI hope they will sort these issues out. That's probably another reason to start with OpenGL rather than DX...

And penalise 90%+ of your clients to make life easier for the 2%? OpenGL has limitations that DX doesn't.

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They're just making it sound hard so they get the glory when it's done, I hope.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: anewsonIf we compared solutions to point and click game problems they would likely be identical (by design).

I'm not sure if I understand: Do you mean the solution is always pointing and clicking?

Couldn't have said it better. I tried to, but the best I managed was an incredulous "Uhhh... srsly?"

Maybe anewson's experience of "point-and-click" adventures is limited to those simplistic flash-based clickfests?

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The word 'developer' has it's definition stretched WAY too far way too often.

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Quoting: anewsonIf we compared solutions to point and click game problems they would likely be identical (by design).

I'm not sure if I understand: Do you mean the solution is always pointing and clicking?

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Im starting to think a lot of these issues are not so much that Linux is complex, but that these 'developers' are artists / designers / basic coders with lots of engine specific experience. i.e they are not traditional 'programmers'. A slight spanner in the works outside the sandbox that they work within and it's just straight faces all around.

As people have said Vulkan will help with this, but so would hiring someone who understands programming and computers as a whole into the game studio. It often seems this is an Achilles heal of Linux development, many don't even have a Linux test rig. A few proper desktop/OS level programmers could send bug reports and have things fixed upstream for other studios & the FOSS community to benefit from too.

Feral interactive seem to have a good bit of this concept sorted. So its not Linux as much as it is inexperience and poor resourcing.

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Quoting: nieknooijensTested it on vulkan on a GTX1070 and it works really well! occasionally some models are glitched and it has some movement hiccups but nothing really stopping you from playing.

Which driver version are you using? Up to and including 367.44 I had hard lockups when starting with Vulkan (980ti). Now on 367.57 there are no more hard lockups but it does crash every couple of minutes. So improvements, but still not really playable.

I did some benchmarks though - Damn!
OpenGL: 71.8 Ave FPS
Vulkan: 157.2 Ave FPS

This is a game changer for sure.

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noooooooooooooooo! I was so hyped for this one.

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It's not the first Unreal engine game to be ported to Linux, more efforts to support the platform and maybe i'll consider to buy it.
I'm tired of excuses.

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Yes, nice feature! It will be very useful :)

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After Kingdom come it's my first rule.

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Isn't the Mac version using OpenGL too or already Metal?

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Quoting: tuubiI sure will keep my eye on this one.

Quoting: LinasHowever the mechanics of solving arbitrary puzzles, and not having direct control over the character and being limited to certain predefined actions really puts me off. :(

That argument stands only if you compare them to RPG's or something. Most game genres limit you even more and require much less of an imagination.

If we compared solutions to point and click game problems they would likely be identical (by design). If we compared how we survived a room in a FPS they would likely be quite different. If that's not a limitation...

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QuoteSeveral mouse cursor issues (Mouse always getting set to the center when we turned drawing of the system mouse cursor off, mouse offset when changing window size, mouse position being clamped and not being able use the whole screen), fullscreen not working non-natively,

Are these those that SDL layer with unity should solve?

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This game looks nice, and as always, I find it really interesting when developers share technical details about their issues, even if it could be a bit more detailed in this case.

I hope they will sort these issues out. That's probably another reason to start with OpenGL rather than DX...

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Yes. Focusing on supporting the devs that actually give us good games. Currently I do have a queue of games to play on Linux so the situation overall is better than anytime before. Nevertheless I do hope and believe (Vulkan backed) some years from now there will be no question for devs on "if" or "how" to make a Linux version.

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Quoting: liamdaweDoesn't look like I'm getting a review key.

I emailed them directly, included a link to GOL and their reply was essentially "do you have a website", I pointed out the obvious fact that I already sent it to them and then they asked about our traffic. Since then, they didn't reply again.

Looks like I won't be giving this one any thoughts or videos.

I sent them a final reminder and they did actually send me a key, so I can actually take a look now.

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Quoting: voyager2102Are you by any chance trying to run an old unity engine game on an XFS file system ;) Your problem description sounds a lot like it (XFS on your home dir would suffice to break it in default configs)

No, all ordinary, ext4 and stuff. And I don't think Daedalic usually uses Unity. I had at least problems with Deponia and Harvey's New Eyes. I remotely remember there was some file case problem with Deponia.

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