Quoting: Xpanderfault of developers or not, i just want to hit play and be done with it and nvidia currently provides that.

no driver crashes/x crashes since 2007 either.

amd is getting better and better but still not there sadly, still many games that dont work, hdmi audio doesn't work etc, yeah yeah 4.15 will fix hdmi audio and stuff but its not stable kernel yet.

since i own GTX 1070, i have nowhere to upgrade really with the ~500€ GPU budget range. vega 56 is pretty much same in terms of performance if the drivers work and only now some of the non-ref cooler cards started to appear, which is a bit late to the party, GTX 1070 is more than a year old and all AMD achieved was similar performance on the same price range 1 year later than nvidia.

hoping to see what the next year brings with volta and vega2?

Good points too

In my case nvidia works ok (native and non native apps) with ubuntu stable kernel, manual installation

DAL code is a big step in amd drivers (thankfully torvalds approve code) but need stay in stable branch thinking in ubuntu 18.04 LTS launch around Q2 2018

Amd have serious troubles in hardware, as your said vega appears 1 year later with similar performance than pascal but pascal stay since 2016

Vega consume so much for example vega 56 around 210w at stock clock meanwhile GTX 1070 consume 150w at stock clock

Curiously amd invest in hbm for improve consume but in practice consume more than actual nvidia gpus

Amd needs create very good gpu core, improve actual tdp and other things

However with titan v launch seems nvidia dont give to amd any chance of recover

Volta is impressive how much improve in same consume of titan Xp (250w) with much more shaders and others

Without forget using 12nm, and nvidia now have ampere as volta succesor

If volta desktop based cards appears in H1 of 2018 (possible using samsung ddr6), amd stay in serious troubles in hardware side

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Quoting: LeopardNope.

First of all , AMD driver space is so fragmented.

OpenGL side ; you will get better performance from open source drivers.

Vulkan ; mixed results. Sometimes Radv sometimes closed source driver wins. I hope AMDVLK can improve RADV.

So as a gamer ; we want performance right? Yeah , then we should use open source drivers.

But on Mesa you can't play some games without doing workarounds. For example; Divinity , Dying Light , X11 etc.

With Amdgpu Pro ; you don't need to hassle like that but it will cost you performance wise. Also note that Hdmi audio , Freesync etc are not available with Mesa.

So ; AMD is not "just" works.

Another annoying things in amd drivers (good point)

Without forget dont have complete opengl extensions (them stay close to 4.6 but need conformant test once time lack extensions stay ready)

AZDO extensions have serious retrace, in last 6 months dont advance much (in this time them must be have all AZDO extensions complete with conformant tests)

Compatibility is another big issue in amd drivers

Bugs in various titles native and non native

For now nvidia is "just works" driver for most apps native and non native

Hopefully amd them can improve in 2018 for have better options

But in hardware side them lack of tdp / performance gpu, maybe if navi appears using 7nm can show interesting product

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Because it works most of the time and performs better than AMD.

Without forget freezing in certain apps

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Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Easy to explain because more titles run on nvidia than amd (because some titles have nvidia optimizations, etc)

And other things case in global situation amd still dont offer same features than nvidia:

-In software: driver GUI, power limit features, dont depend lastest llvm, kernel (llvm and lastest kernel could be problematic in debian and more problematic in ubuntu based distros*)

-In hardware: better performance/tdp)

*Important because debian (SteamOS)/ubuntu based distros are official supported distributions

Widely supported in native and non native (wine ports in steam case topware interactive titles), intel and amd gpus are not supported or broken shaders dont fix, observer door and others

Wayland still too inmature, many problems: input, xwayland, compatibility, etc

Maybe when wayland stay polish could be relevant but for now dont matter because most apps runs with X

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Quoting: ziabiceDo you still have ELEX installed?

How it works with the latest WINE version?

Quoting: sonicSome of staging patches will not be integrated into vanilla, ever.

Because some patches are just hacks, workarounds, and there is no place for such a patches in vanilla Wine.

I saw some discussion about creating another Wine branch just for these dirty hacks wich can not be merged - so people would not complain about some cases where some game is working in staging for years and not for vanilla yet.

But it will probably never happen.

I personally know two games (and their bugs) which are working in staging but not in testing.

These patches are not, fortunatelly, some dirty hacks, so they could be integrated into testing in the future.

Exactly for this reason i dont test more DX11 titles (case elex and others)

Wine vanilla needs many staging patches for fix various DX11 games case: 1D textures, deffered context and others

However when begin next development cycle**, i can test DX11 titles again

**Hopefully around february maybe wine 3.1 staging ?

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In this wine version child of light still works

View video on youtube.com

Crysis improve since last test with wine 2.1

View video on youtube.com

Evil Genius still working

View video on youtube.com

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In this wine version farcry 2 works however at simple seek dont note d3dx9_36.dll.D3DXGetShaderInputSemantics

And performance improves with csmt

View video on youtube.com

FarCry 1 works in this version but needs msvcp71 and msvcr71 as native libraries in winecfg

View video on youtube.com

Hunted Hells Reach improve with csmt

View video on youtube.com

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Quoting: qptain NemoI just realized you recorded three hours of footage for this.

You insane, insane man. Respect. <3

Thanks

Normally i try record around 1hr or first game chapter, personally consider as minimum 1hr for give a idea about performance in large times

However some games distract so much case torchlight and exceed limit

And more now with change virtual desktop resolution to 1024x768 (normally play in this resolution) but now is possible after test how distribute sensors aka gkrell, nvidia x server settings, wine console and nvidia power limit

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In this wine version torchlight 1 back to work normally with GLSL

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Castle of Illusion still works

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Elder Scrolls Skyrim + Mods also works

View video on youtube.com

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In this wine version the legend of korra with mods works

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Betrayer still works (CSMT give better performance)

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