Quoting: Kuduzkehpanwhat is the probabilty of steam decks' proton be the same as in desktop Steam.

It's the same.

For the last decade Valve have been working to get their business to not be dependent on Windows. If they achieve "Valve has independence from Microsoft if and only if all gamers give up their gaming rigs entirely in favour of a seven inch phablet" then... they won't really have succeeded.

They need their customers to be able to do exactly what they do now, only without Windows, just in case Windows becomes no longer an option.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicHopefully the AntiCheat solution extends beyond just the Steam Deck, but even if it doesn't, it'll be a great step forward.

Deck-only doesn't make a lot of sense, technologically or for what Valve are trying to achieve, but I could see the anti-cheat vendors insisting on a solution that only works on Valve's Proton - signing keys or whatnot - rather than allowing it to work in upstream Wine.

Still not gonna give Garry Newman any money, mind.

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Quoting: lqe5433etc. so it should be a some amount of clicks to build the game to Linux if there will be demand for it.

Unfortunately devs I've asked don't agree. They claim games simply don't work when they try to port to Linux and need a huge amount of manual tweaking and testing which consumes a large amount of time.

lqe5433 is talking about multiplatform development, you're talking about porting after the fact. They're not the same thing.

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I wonder if the trackpads will support gestures? Motion-analogous controls like Heavy Rain, or drawing runes to cast spells, could be really cool. They'd have to be optional, of course, because people are also going to want to play those games with keyboard and mouse.

I could also see a resurgence in marble rolling games.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovic

but there is generally less demand for native titles since Valve’s launch of Proton.

Here's what I read..

How well this game runs in Proton already represents more then the amount of effort that can be justified putting into a native port for Linux right now.

If Linux had more than 0.9% market share, this wouldn't happen.

Because if Linux had more than 0.9% market share, Feral would very much so care how well their game runs on Linux, enough to want to control the experience by developing a native version and offering the best experience possible, rather than just settling for whatever works via Proton.

This doesn't harm the goal of growing the Linux marketshare, it's just an acknowledgement of how small our marketshare is.

It's passive-voice: it's not Feral's decision, they're just a contractor. Just like it wasn't their decision that Creative Assembly made it an Epic exclusive for a year, or that Creative Assembly refuse to use a library that will allow cross-platform multiplayer, or that Creative Assembly don't give them access to the games or patches in advance to have same-day releases. But they can't say, "Creative Assembly shafted us again," because, you know, they'd like more work in the future.

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Quoting: LoftyI see the same thing with the steam deck, the need for two haptics is limited.. one i can see for use as a mouse but two i don't really get..

Mostly, I suspect, because having a big chunk of blank space there on an otherwise symmetric control scheme would be weird, but you can restrict either touchpad to particular regions of the screen so you could use the left mouse just for minimaps, mini-menus, macros, and things like that, while the right mouse does right mouse things.

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Quoting: GuestI tried some Total War games using wine. I explicitly say wine, because "Proton" never worked with them for me. And then neither did wine. So native ports was the only option I had to play those games (and Rome Remastered is next on my to-play list when I get some free time again).

Furthermore, same problem for the Tomb Raider series. I couldn't play any of those via wine. Native versions though, they run perfectly fine, particularly Rise of the Tomb Raider (owing to 6 cores being highly beneficial).

So this news is, for me, unwelcome and pretty sad.

Feral's ability to take some other company's after-the-fact code dump and beat it, batter it, and polish it into an excellent Linux game, while seemingly magical, wasn't even the best thing about them. Their customer support was way better than any first-party game developer. I'm certain that they made much less money from their Linux ports than from their Mac or Switch ports, but dealing with them you'd always get the impression that your platform was absolutely the most important one in the world.

From other devs we're going to get a response that varies from "get Valve to fix it" to "go stick your head in a pig."

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Quoting: Horiwhy pay for developing a new version when the already-existing one works just fine?

In my case, because they'd get 2-10 times as much money from me. But they won't particularly notice just my money, or even if all of us did it, because we're dwarfed my the hordes of Windows users.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeHa, I would interpret it as being for full sized adults, and not kids that would drop it. I mean we should face the fact that the Switch, and Nintendo in general targets more of kids and grown kids... the joy-cons are absolutely too small for my hands to comfortably use, and I have to use my Pro controller to play games on it (at least it is one of the nicest controllers I have.) Gabe probably has the same complaint about the joy-cons as I do. They are made for smaller hands.

If anything he is implying that the Steam Deck is for men and women, not boys and girls.

Sure, intending it to mean "this is a premium product made from premium materials, offering premium performance at a premium price, for grown-up gaming," is also a perfectly plausible interpretation, and is likely what he was consciously intending.

We all know of PC gaming's widespread reputation for welcoming inclusiveness, of course.

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