Quoting: TactikalKittyHonest Question: Why would you not use anything other than the Proton Experimental? Is there any real world use case that I would want to use the stable or and older proton version vs the up to date Experimental?

Experimental isn't "up to date." It's the janky first-pass attempts at fixes that haven't yet been tested. Once changes have actually been tested and shown to fix whatever issue (ideally without making anything else worse), they get put in stable.

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Fixed video quality of live streamed episodes in Quantum Break.

This was on my wishlist for quite a while, but the issues with their decision to stream parts of the game from the Internet meant that it never got bought and ultimately came off the wishlist. If it's fixed & working properly it might get on the wishlist again. Although - since the developers didn't care enough to fix it themselves and don't care enough to want the green tick - it'd still be waiting for a 90% discount.

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Quoting: tfkIt's a small difference in attitude I'm observing here.

We get native Linux support for something, we say thanks and start to give feedback on any issues we encounter.

They get Windows support for something, they're like "About time!". And when there are issues they're like "It won't work! You suck! I'm selling my device!".

There is a cultural difference that trips up game devs. When Linux users see issues, we send bug reports: most of our software is developed collaboratively, and bug reports are how software improves. When Windows users see issues, they send complaints: they are generally in the privileged position of being pandered to, and most of their software is a product they've paid money for. And so developers (who are used to Windows users) release their software for Linux and immediately get their hundreds of bug reports (as is polite in our community), but what they see is hundreds of complaints, which leads some to conclude that Linux users are really demanding and whiny, and nothing's ever good enough for us. Some do get it, though, after a while.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualI was disinclined to believe the macOS numbers are actually that much lower than Linux because...that sounds crazy, right?

I guess that's just the reality we live in now.

It's been coming for quite some time.



I'd much rather we were in a world where Mac gaming on Steam was healthy, and together Linux & Mac had a robust 5%-10%-15% share to encourage multi-platform development. Especially if the same API got devs access to both as well as Windows, as it was for OpenGL, rather than needing two - Vulkan & Metal - where only one works on Windows. As it stands, Linux users have to do the heavy lifting solo to get any support from game devs rather than being able to share the burden. Sony using Vulkan for their PC ports (to counter Microsoft's DirectX box) would also be helpful for us.

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Quoting: SamsaiAlso, even if they were being miscounted as Windows machines due to running some variant of Wine, then so what? Why would that be an indication that they need any more support than they are already getting?

Fair.

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Finally. I've no interest in Windows myself (obviously), but the bait-and-switch of "you can totally install Windows... but the hardware won't work" was rough. Getting all the Deck platform stuff upstreamed so that buyers also have the option of whichever Linux distro they might choose is also something that needs to happen. As I understand it, those parts have been trickling out - hopefully this release is a sign that they've got their formalisations tidy.

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Quoting: KlaasWhat I don't like is that they apparently prevent deeper discounts on other stores.

While it's proving difficult to research and I don't have time to really dig into it at the moment, from various statements I've read from developers the situation is more that developers shouldn't sell Steam keys for their games at significantly lower prices elsewhere on a permanent basis…which all makes sense, because Valve takes no commission on Steam keys, so everyone would just sell keys for their games elsewhere at 30% off, pocket 100% of the proceeds (making the same amount they would selling on Steam), and Valve would be stuck honoring those keys and supporting the distribution and hosting of said games without getting any money.

There's absolutely not a formal requirement for games sold elsewhere except that devs can't take the piss with Steam Keys. The "don't take the piss" provision of the Steam Keys agreement is widely known and games are cheaper than on Steam literally all the time.

If it comes to Valve's attention that Steam customers are getting a bad deal Valve will sometimes contact the publishers to find out why that is, and if there's anything that can be done about it. The extent to which one might say there's an informal requirement is discussed at length in the court filings of the Wolfire case - Attachment 1 [External Link], Attachment 2 [External Link].

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualEdit 2: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=mac [External Link]

You can see VirtualApple makes up 73% of the Processor Vendor for macOS. That's about three-quarters of users using Whisky/CrossOver/Some Wine Thing to run Steam instead of the native Steam client.

But then it's under the macOS category, so maybe it is being counted correctly..?

VirtualApple is Apple Silicon. The use of that on Mac in the survey is in line with use of the M GPUs.

In particular, none of the Mac hardware - neither CPU brand nor GPU model number - shows up in the Windows-only section at all. Individual GPU model numbers are listed down to 0.15%.

The idea that vast numbers of gaming Macs exist and are being miscounted as Windows machines seems like wishful thinking on the part of Mac users.

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Quoting: ToddLI'm always tempted to try out these Preview/Beta builds but too afraid that'll make changes on my Steam Deck that might cause more problems. Now, if I had a spare Steam Deck, I would go for it but don't have the funds for another one right now.

All you need to do is run a gaming website for many, many years, and then Valve will send them to you for free. EZ.

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Feels a bit odd to be on the other side of the fence for once, as that's what usually happens to Linux but Dwarf Fortress has Native Linux support already.

Linux has had higher share than MacOS for a year now, after all.

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