Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: tohur

Quoting: reaperx7I love how Red Hat loves to push (force) people to buggy and incomplete software touting it as "stable" when the truth is far from reality.

Wayland is nice, but the fact that every compositor does everything inconsistent with each other, and often conflicts with how Xorg/XWayland does things, with pretty much everything the original developers intend, pretty much leave me saying "this isn't a good idea".

Honestly, nothing was wrong with Xorg, in my opinion. It works as intended like Windows GDI+. Yes there were some security flaws, but really, what was wrong with Xorg? I honestly see Wayland as a solution in search of a problem, not the other way around. If there was consistency with the compositors this wouldn't be a problem, but Plasma has their own problems, Gnome wants to be the rebellious child, Enlightenment is their own thing, Weston is sitting in the corner rocking back and forth thinking its a tea pot, and God knows what else the rest are doing running around the house aimlessly, but nothing is consistent while Xorg is sitting at the table, well behaved and saying "Oh so I'm not that important anymore? Have fun with the miscreants!" as it sits it's tea and reads the newspaper.

If you think Xorg is well "behaved" and not an issue you do not live in reality.. xorg is a utter mess and needs to go. frankly since swapping to Plasma wayland my PC performs much better

In my mind, the only thing Xorg needed fixing on was a better / more supported way to not run as root. Outside of that, they did all the work to make it modular during the development from XFree86. The problem is that people don't like maintaining old stuff, and want to play with new toys. That's all Wayland is. It'll be a new toy, until it isn't, then someone else will declare that it's crap and no one should be using it and then we'll be in the exact same boat as before...

There are definitely things that Wayland does okay, but nothing they do that is special over X11, and end up still needing compatibility layer to X11...

Performance wise, I notice very little difference between Xorg / Wayland. Like somethings feel a little smoother, other things feel slower. I definitely notice things just not working right in Wayland though. Weirdly, I had an issue where the Synology Drive app didn't want to work in Xorg, but would in Wayland... after a reboot, it was fine though.

I think that isn't true. The reason we need something new is simple: Xorg was released in 2004. Pretty much everything is different now and with software, once it starts doing things that weren't concievable when it was designed, things start falling apart. "Modularity" isn't a checkbox, it is a relative thing. What a module was supposed to be was also thought up in 2004, so that is also inadequate. In 204, screens were 480p, screensharing did not exist, security was not really a designconsideration, VR was still science fiction and Linux desktop Linux was still very obscure. Stating that creating something new was just because people wanted something new is not really fair IMO.

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Quoting: whizseX11 was of course in contrast to Wayland loved by all and never faced any criticism.

If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.

This is what happens when software with good intentions goes bad. It victimizes innocent users by distorting their perception of what is and what is not good software. This malignant window system must be destroyed.

Oh, wait, maybe not. [External Link]

That was an hillarious read, thanks

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I see a lot of people here that are saying:"I tried Wayland but x didn't work, so I moved back". I have two ssuggestions here:
1. Reportthe bugs you are experiencing. Developers often don't know all issues with the platform, so help them. I have found most are extremely responsive.
2. How long ago has it been that you have tried? I have used Wayland for a year now and it has noticably improved in just the last few months, and that is with Plasma 5.
If you don't want to do that, I understand as well. On the KDE side, Plasma 6 will probably be the end-all-be-all for major Wayland issues (not saying for all users, some people need more niche APIs).

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Very good development. I am rooting for Godot to become "The blender of gamedevelopment" but niche game-engines will probably always exist and this is clearly a good development. An advantage of the whole Unity debacle is that the aftermath has been a stronger competition.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: MarlockClem said something like 2 years somewhere on the post or the comments.

I think KDE developers underestimated it by a lot, so it likely means more.

I mean, KDE and Gnome (mostly Gnome) were the torchbearers of Wayland, so a lot of things needed to be implemented for the first time or even necesitated a new Wayland extention. Now that that work is nearing the end, Linux Mint can piggy back of of a lot of work from Gnome (see Marlocks comment) and look at other programs as an example, so it should be way less work.

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Quoting: pleasereadthemanualI wonder how they will implement screen capture permissions. Every compositor seems to do it differently. I like GNOME's implementation the most; loudly indicating when the screen is being captured in the top right.

this might prove useful:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/03/xwayland-video-bridge-created-to-improve-linux-screen-sharing/

In my experience with Fedora KDE, it used to work sometimes with the videobridge, but with 39, video sharing works flawlessly on Wayland.

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That's interesting. If only there were another packaging systen that also isolated packages that was actively backed by Valve and literally everyone besides Canonical /s.

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Good effing riddance. This doesn't solve a lot of problems, but nevertheless a welcome change

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyAnyone else get the feeling that lately, various projects that were sort of not bothering with Wayland, having a sort of "leave it till later" attitude, are finding that "later" is now?

Absolutely. It is probably because Wayland is reaching its critical mass. Gnome has fully embraced it and KDE has fully embraced it. Most if not all of its major flaws have also been corrected so there is really no reason to wait anymore. I am really exited for it because a Linux ecosystem where XDG Portals (Flatpak/Snap), Wayland and Pipewire are a stable base for all distros means that the Linux desktop is finally free from the problems that have been plagueing it the most. This being (imo): no proprietary app support, no single distribution platform, flaky audio, no good screen sharing support, gesture support etc. It also means that development isn't hampered by the fact that no-one is willing to touch X11/Pulseaudio anymore.

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I thought CS2 was going to be release mid oktober? Oh wait, that's the other CS2 XD

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