Quoting: DrakkerThey look great, yes, but its still more plastic waste for the planet... no one is going to re-use your old black controls...

Can't we just have nice things. The amount of plastic these things use is fractional compared with other products available on the market. Not only that but buying these is supporting an individual with a cottage industry and not some giant mega corporation.

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Quoting: lejimsterIs ray tracing on Linux comparable to Windows these days?
I just bought a 7900 xtx and plan to have a tinker when I install it.

The next MESA release 23.2.0 will come with lots of raytracing improvements for MESA RADV. However performance will still be an issue when compared to the windowsdriver. The forthcoming MESA releases will adress these problem.
However with an RX 7900 xtx you should be able to get decent performance when you use FSR.

And that the issue with slower release distros that don't run cutting edge MESA. You end up having to add 3rd party repositories and kernals and it's not the most friendly end user experience. Ironically it's the most friendly end user experience distros that fall foul of this.

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I wonder if there will ever be a community mod that removes the need for any EA Application to be installed on the Linux desktop in order to play, or an account for that matter. I could actually imagine that might be something that would happen to totally separate the game from the company. Even eventually from Steam perhaps with custom servers and mods to keep the game alive for a very long time.

It's such a shame to see titles that are left to rot when so many people poured there time, skill and effort into making them (video games are a form of Art after all).

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Quoting: LoftyThis is why we need a Steam Controller 2. Then you have the best of both worlds. If they released a Steam controller that was essentially a steam deck with no GPU/CPU/RAM/HDD/FAN etc.. but just the light weight shell + touch screen for keyboard with the exact or similar layout, maybe with replaced the right touch pad with a few physical WASD buttons and give everything PROPER rumble rather than the angry fly trapped inside the controller haptics. That would mean you could fully 'PC' from the couch in comfort.

Do we really need another gamepad? There are plenty of gamepads out there already,

You could apply that to literally anything.

Valve already tried and people didn't want it. There is absolutely no need for some weird ones with WASD layout when D-pad already exists and Steam Client let's you reconfigure everything.

People did want it. Im a People.

The WASD is just an idea, the right trackpad is just kind of there and not typically used much. it's not something it absolutely needs i agree, in fact Some of the new handhelds offer a switch to make the dpad WASD.

Ergonomic? Definitely NO

I think it probably is Ergonomic, given that pretty much everyone who has reviewed it claims it to be very ergonomic.

it's good for handheld PC, but not as a controller.

That doesn't make any sense.

Touchpads are great for typing and gyro is great for aim-correction, but joysticks don't have hall effect sensors and d-pad not the best for fighting games. Gulikit and 8BitDo sell better controllers at $70.

Touchpads aren't as good as a touch screen for quick typing.
Gyro is great for aim correction yes.
Joysticks could have hall effect sensors added easily, were talking about a theoretical device here.
Dpad could be improved, not sure what your point is.
8bitdo has quality control issues i own a pro2 and it's not as good as a retail xbox controller. Also they are not targeting a PC user who is also a PC gamer, i.e full desktop PC from a couch (as an example)

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: tuubiI prefer to play using a gamepad these days. My sofa/TV gaming setup makes keyboard and mouse gaming a bit awkward and uncomfortable.

This is why we need a Steam Controller 2.

Well, maybe?

I have reservations, seeing as I never could get used to the original Steam Controller.

The issue with the original steam controller which i still use, although less than i want to ideally because it's an unfinished product was for me the lack of:

• A second analogue stick
• plastics too hard and a huge grip which ended up cramping my palms.
• Buttons that are WAY too loud for night time gameplay
(i dont own a steam deck, and im hoping the L+R and back triggers aren't as horribly clunk click as the OG steam controller, the whole thing felt cheap and hollow, cant even use it at night for fear of waking up the dead.
• Left track pad too big.
• General ergonomics.
• Haptics instead of rumble was a cheap out / hipster move, instead of putting real dual rumble in there.

So basically the steam deck fixes all these things apart from maybe the button noise as i Dont own one to test this out.

But the concept originally was a good idea.

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Quoting: tuubiI prefer to play using a gamepad these days. My sofa/TV gaming setup makes keyboard and mouse gaming a bit awkward and uncomfortable.

This is why we need a Steam Controller 2. Then you have the best of both worlds. If they released a Steam controller that was essentially a steam deck with no GPU/CPU/RAM/HDD/FAN etc.. but just the light weight shell + touch screen for keyboard with the exact or similar layout, maybe with replaced the right touch pad with a few physical WASD buttons and give everything PROPER rumble rather than the angry fly trapped inside the controller haptics. That would mean you could fully 'PC' from the couch in comfort.

The Steam deck is probably the most ergonomic game controller ever made, why change the formula ¯\_( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉)_/¯

(okay, okay perhaps the display can be a remote wifi6 display, but im not actually too bothered about that if it reduces the cost + weight because then you need 90% of the steam deck to make that work anyway)

The alternative is to allow for a steam deck to become a controller for a secondary PC. But id still prefer a $80 - $100 stripped out controller based on the steam deck than having to pay $349 for a single controller.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: LoftyI have to thank nvidia for enabling me to game on linux at a time when it was impossible otherwise many, many years ago when i had zero success on the terrible fglrx AMD. it's what kept me going until AMDGPU was up and running. Now however im on AMD and its amazing honestly in comparison how much better it is than nvidia, no contest. Your kneecapping yourself running nvidia on linux, it's like choosing to have a lower quality experience on purpose.

Why do you think so? I'm using Nvidia on Linux, and I don't see problems.

I find the desktop experience to be smoother in general. On gnome wayland everything is really snappy and there is no feeling of lag. I don't know why but muilti-monitor was a pain when turning one screen off to save energy it would mess up the orientation. Issues mixed resolution / refresh multimonitor was a big one. Then sometimes i would get proton game hangs. The card seemed to run the fans faster than they reasonably should so perhaps that is a compatibility issue and i had less success with undervolting and controlling the card. But for gaming the overall feeling of stability is there, even with V-Sync on (and i believe this is by design) there is less lag locked at 60 using wayland than relying on X11 desktop compositor + nvidia proprietary. Now you could use force composite pipeline on nvidia but that seemed to cause problems with games like CS:GO or any other triple buffered games.. again not present on wayland even the 'vsync lag' is not there now when its technically vsync'd. Then there is the need to add a separate repository on nvidia and build against the kernal i have, which would sometimes fail because the kernal headers were not matched to the current driver meaning a system boot to the fall back f86 nouveau driver and that was after having to work out how to downgrade kernal and reinstall from the terminal.
outside of that, again i dont know why but emulation has been really smooth and with nvidia i kind of got used to very small amounts of microstutter, just now and again and assumed it was the game engine.. it wasn't it was the drivers / nvidia card.

Knowing how much effort Valve and other companies are pouring into the FOSS driver gives me confidence in more performance gains / stability and future support ... PLUS .. backwards compatibility on older hardware where we at least have the potential for new AMD technologies to trickle back generations, like FS3.

so quite a lot.

edit* i know i mentioned efficiency but my full desktop GPU on AMD is idling at just under 5w and that's even on mixed resolution multi-monitor which was never the case with nvidia and yet there are both technically the same TDP cards.

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Quoting: CorbenNice too see that Valve's strategy is paying off.
Back then, when we asked game devs about a Linux version the answer was always, not worth it, not enough users, not feasible. At the same time asking for a Mac version was no issue. Well... does that mean now we can as for Steam Deck support without issues? :)

For me it's also interesting to see, how well games are supported on Deck now, while I'm getting more and more issues on my nVidida and Ubuntu powered Linux desktop. nVidia driver version 535 has quite some issues, there are now library issues with native Linux games, e.g. I cannot run Insurgency (the old one) anymore without tinkering (solution here [External Link]. GTA V doesn't run via Steam for me anymore, but I can play it via Heroic on Desktop or without issues on Deck... Pistol Whip VR stopped working due to an update for nVidia users. XRDesktop isn't poperly working anymore etc. etc.

I'm sure it'll get better again, it still feels like there are ups and downs regarding how good things run on Linux and currently it's more of a down, at least for me and my setup.

I have to thank nvidia for enabling me to game on linux at a time when it was impossible otherwise many, many years ago when i had zero success on the terrible fglrx AMD. it's what kept me going until AMDGPU was up and running. Now however im on AMD and its amazing honestly in comparison how much better it is than nvidia, no contest. Your kneecapping yourself running nvidia on linux, it's like choosing to have a lower quality experience on purpose. Im not going back to nvidia ever again, id rather use intel ARC MESA even if it was twice as slow so long as it is just as fuss free and stable as it is on the FOSS driver.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: GuestUnfortunately it has many issues with the Nvidia Linux driver, that's probably going to take awhile to fix...

shuda waited :tongue:

:grin: unfortunately I have to now use Windows, bleh. I noticed ads started popping up lmao. I only use it for flightsims as I need trackir and that's tricky with Proton/Wine, and also as a backup.

the ads thing is insane. its like you have to buy a more expensive amazon tablet just to allow them to NOT force ads on you and they are perfectly okay with that, like its a privilege to not have ads, but the peasants get ads, proving ads are a basically an economic punishment of sorts.

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Quoting: GuestUnfortunately it has many issues with the Nvidia Linux driver, that's probably going to take awhile to fix...

shuda waited :tongue:

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