Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: F.UltraBut those where sold to enthusiasts and they reinstall their Windows on a daily basis, the Steam Deck if successful will be sold to the masses and they will never ever try to install anything.

But those are the type of people who give up on the device if things don't work and it ends up dusty in a cupboard somewhere.

Why do you think that Valve is planing to sell a defunct product?

it's not defunct. it can run windows and linux.

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Quoting: F.UltraBut those where sold to enthusiasts and they reinstall their Windows on a daily basis, the Steam Deck if successful will be sold to the masses and they will never ever try to install anything.

But those are the type of people who give up on the device if things don't work and it ends up dusty in a cupboard somewhere.

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Quoting: dubigrasuIf is just a launch parameter (like for SteamOS 2) then theoretically you could use it on regular Windows and loose nothing switching.

I was going to mention that. I think we are on the same lines here..

It's quite typical of valve to be so unified that they shoot themselves in the foot somewhat. I can just imagine that the UI will work just fine on windows with the press of the big picture button.. At least they could of saved some space for the Linux build to have something unique about it to disway people from switching to windows and make this a unique product.

Im not sure people are really grasping how many people will do this. As i said there is an ingrained comfort blanket with running windows. And of course creators need content.. So you can imagine the biggest channels running benchmarks on this via windows with no mention of steamOS. as seen as an inferior insta-bin piece of software.

Still, for the many that don't that will be potentially hundreds of thousands of new Linux users in the short term. Which can only be good.

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Quoting: GuestJust like 99.99% of games that run on proton today, this won't have support from developers and publishers. Hence there will be incompatibilities, glitches, bugs that do not happen in windows, and so on. Hoping that Valve or Codemasters or whoever may be able to perfectly implement every API in Directx9-12 (13 is coming at the end of this year with windows 11 btw), along with their many corner cases, inconsistencies, and other amenities is a pure illusion. Users will experience problems, it's a given. Nintendo Switch killer this ain't but could be fine for some games. Personally, I'd love it for classic emulators though.

Lets not forget the company that owns the biggest anti-cheat. Also that other gaming / OS platforms have a financial incentive to be as awkward as possible with any future software they develop. What's to stop Microsoft implementing a popular DX13 features that require some sort of cloud integration which inturn requires some kind of MS account.

I think this is a great device for source engine / indie games and some in home streaming of AAA though.

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You could even wipe Steam OS entirely and install a fresh version of Windows if you want

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Or see what our dear Tim has to say about it:

...an open platform where users are free to install software or their choosing - including Windows and other stores.

(because of course he said that, cough Epic Store cough)

This is exactly what i said in the original thread. You would think people have an almost pathological fear of using something different. I guess Stockholm syndrome is real, but they should call it Redmond syndrome from now on.

That said, i don't know why someone would want windows on this thing when the entire interface is designed for the steam deck, that and the KDE desktop shown looks and operates nicer than windows 11 , contains way less spyware/telemetry, has better security and Linux has almost entirely all the software you could ever want or run on a device like this. And of course, it is a different & interesting toy i mean how many windows devices do you need in the home ?
I hope people realize that monthly subscriptions to windows won't be too far in the future with windows 365.

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Quoting: TheRiddickThis looks pretty cool, but not available to us peasants in Australia, probably have to import it at a premium.

Probably because you have Gaben, in Australia. He'll deliver them himself. :grin:

didn't he just move to New Zealand like a bunch of other billionaire/millionaires ? That's close enough for him to hand deliver it to you.

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Getting anti-cheat working on Linux is kind of pivotal right now. We are reaching a point where almost all major AAA and even AA titles require it in order to run. If you can play COD:warzone, Fortnight, PUB-G on Andriod then you kind of need your PC handheld to be able to do so.

Easy Anti cheat is now free for all developers, no matter the engine:

https://youtu.be/X_7fdMpRDEQ [External Link]

That said i just await the myriad of youtube thumbnails, holding a steam deck at an angle with gawping expression "HOW TO INSTALL WINDOWS ON THE STEAM DECK!11!1!! AMAZING PERFORMANCE ALL YOUR GAMES NOW WORK..".

So i don't see it being quite the 'holy grail' of Linux gaming just yet, there is still an ideological uphill battle to fight.

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Quoting: 14So they should get more casuals that wouldn't have considered it otherwise.

I think the casual game market thing is a bit of an overblown sentiment. What even are casual gamers these days ? Pretty much anyone has access to a mobile , console or PC(laptop) to game at a high enough level. There are AAA titles on Mobile now that are super popular and have way more players than PC. In developing nations they seem to have pretty decent phones too, better than my flip phone :P but great internet speed is something only a relative minority of people have even in the west.

On the topic of it making games exploit proof, it won't. Most games these days the customer is the beta tester, they are continually patched until dropped which leads to game bugs and that will still happen with the cloud because of new content patches & deadlines. And if people can't write scripts to hack they will just do it the old fashioned way and find exploits in the game, which just becomes whack-a-mole when your last update created another flaw. Not only that there are other ways in which games can be ruined outside of cheats like griefing / trolling. Cloud gaming won't stop cheating.

As you rightly said, the literal only purpose of cloud streaming (as nobody asked for it) is to lock people into endless subscriptions and transactions. The side benefit might be unbreakable DRM, but i see this as a carrot to lead developers into that business model. It will lock them into that same system, which is a shame as many games don't even require DRM. Is the kind of person who pirates a game going to pay out $$ a month on an entire cloud subscription just so they can get that game ? I thought people mainly pirate because of financial reasons in the first place.

Has anybody considered Cloud gaming might have an opposite chilling effect on the game market. I know that once netflix came along i almost entirely stopped watching movies as my local 'rent-a-DVD' market shut down overnight. I occasionally watch a Blueray or something on TV if i catch it on, Sometimes a streaming site might be playing a free movie. But il never be a netflix customer, and given the creeping price hikes im glad im not. This is what market capture does, it locks the customer into an ever worsening deal.

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Quoting: GuestThat's right kids, now you can let corporations abuse you even more, today!

Don't forget point number 4) which is to buy up viable opensource hardware companies (like intel interested in buying SiFive / RISC-V ) effectively crushing any competition.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: LoftyThe context of the article is to replace traditional high end PC or console gaming via streaming at a low/no net loss to what we have now.

No matter how high end your PC is now - it won't be in some years. That's when it makes sense to check if it's worth to invest one or even two thousand bucks, not when you just bought a new one. (I don't say the answer is clear, just that the question makes sense.)

True, which is why i cede in my post that in the end if prices of hardware do not level out then it is a forgone conclusion that streaming will the be only way for people to game. And the control that gives others over your hobby is not something that most people will look back and say that was a good thing imo. But then again in time you will have entire generations who never knew any different.

(not me tho, as im fine to move to a low powered ARM SOC and play only FOSS & retro games if the alternatives are monthly subscriptions to 10 different cloud gaming platforms with ad littered, 'tiered' access to privileged content )

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