Quoting: Guestnew Linux users which is exactly what Steam deck owners are. I'm very proud of the community and of Values support. Also, don't forget most of this was started because Microsoft's Windows 8 days when they were talking about walled gardens like IOS. Things have changed, but from what you can see with the large cloud platforms like Azure and AWS, big tech companies like Microsoft are on a vendor lock in rampage. Now is the time for open hardware and platforms like Steam deck because even one year from now may be to late.

That's fine buddy, and I a hundred percent agree that gaming on Linux has hit huge milestones, but I also believe writing things like 80 of the top 100 games on Steam work on Linux is setting up for a lot of backlash from people going in with this expectation lol.

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Quoting: Liam DaweNo one is being defensive here, except perhaps you? I can't say I've ever had an issue installing a game through Steam. It really is the most basic feature. Did you open a bug report? Can we see it?

You seem like you are since you have such an issue with what I originally wrote that you felt the need to reply to my comments now twice lol. If I'm being defensive, it's about the fact that we're painting a false picture for new Linux users of the reality of the situation.

I feel like a broken record with you, so for the sake of not arguing I'll leave this as my last comment since you can't seem to comprehend the reality of this situation. LTT LITERALLY says this in the Youtube videos that this community pretends to praise, that ProtonDB Gold rated titles were not working for them or had major play-ability issues.

Yet we're going to just lalala, close our ears and shut out eyes from the truth. I'll give you a specific example, in AoE2, even thumbed up ratings all write about how the 'arrow keys stick', what does that mean? That's the infinite acceleration I'm talking about, any actual AoE2 player who tries to play this game will be at a severe handicap, and simply put you will not be able to play this game competitively (like it's meant to be played) from just this one minor bug that's confirmed through out both positive and negative reviews on ProtonDB. Yet this game carries a 'Gold' rating on it, despite it needing tweaks to play multiplayer, despite Alt-Tab making the game change to a Windowed mode, despite a very crucial input bug.

So if I'm a new user and I see a Gold rating on a game, I'm not expecting all this headache...to me this is a Bronze/Silver title, but who am I to say!

And yes Liam, I do leave bug reports and put my experiences on ProtonDB, and in fact mine are much more detailed than the average user I'll let you know. There are so many users who just thumb up a game and say it works without writing any details about how they got it to work. And BTW you write 'Thousands of reports', on what the whole website of ProtonDB or one game? These things matter, because on one game like It Takes Two there are 63 reports and many of those are updated reports from the same user which makes it closer to 50 something...LMAO.

You should really be nicer to someone who makes up 2 percent of your ProtonDB reports, tsk tsk. ;)

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Quoting: Liam DaweUh, if you're failing to even install something, I think there's bigger issues on your system ;)

Look IDC if you want to be defensive about an operating system and it's game comptability. You chalk it off to some obscure hardware or something, I'm running official and up to date Nvidia graphics drivers on a 3070 Ti and on Linux Mint 20.2...one of the most popular distros right now.

The fact of the matter is if you did ANY type of research into what I just said, simply pulling up the ProtonDB page for It Takes Two for instance, you would've seen that people with Linux Mint are unable to get the game to run.

Quoting: Liam DaweThere is no such thing as perfect, never will be. You can literally never account for every single random piece of hardware or distribution run by users. It's exactly the same for Windows and how some people can't get x game working. There is no misleading because random Joe couldn't get some random game working on their random distribution they found on some outdated list somewhere.

Yes there is, when it works for 90+% of users of any type of distro I'd consider that perfect. I'm under a strong impression that most of what is listed as 'Just works' does not work for 90+% of Linux users right now. That's the sad reality, maybe half of what you listed will actually 'Just work'.

That's how it is in Windows, that's the reality. It's not a guessing game on your hardware and what version Windows update you're running. Again you're setting up for more LTTs and your defensiveness shows that we have a long way to go as the community.

Imagine if we had instead of boasting about Linux and how 80% of the top 100 games work, we tempered expectation and were realistic about Linux's game compatability, I guarantee that LTT video would look a lot different right now.

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This list is actually worse than people realize lol. A lot of the work with Proton games only work on specific hardware and or distros.

I've been using Linux for over a decade and couldn't get AoE2's multiplayer to work for me. I also had issues with infinite mouse acceleration that others also experienced. But its simpler to ignore those people and pretend that the game 'just works' on proton. Similar issues with It Takes Two, it just would not install on Linux Mint. I read on ProtonDb it installs great on other distros but again we're living in fantasy land.

And no users are not even going to hit 70 percent of games bring playable IMO, its closer to 50 - 60 and even then some tweaks are required. Feels like we are setting newbies up like what happened with LTTs videos. They are going to realize how much of a headache it still is and be off put by Linux once again.

Imo we should temper expectations. And unless something PERFECTLY works across multiple distros and hardware writing 'Works with Proton' is extremely misleading and setting up new users for failure.

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I don't want to dumb down Linux for less inexperienced users, but Pop OS or Ubuntu are not good distros for beginners, Linux Mint is because it's made by people who know what they're doing.

You have two companies like System 76 and Canonical behind these distros and there's still so many bugs and issues with them. I would never recommend any GNOME based distro to any beginner, what a joke. Anyone who recommends these distros to beginners has no idea what they're talking about.

Just recommend Linux Mint, that's it.

There was this dumb shift from the community that Pop OS was the new defacto beginner distro and that was a huge mistake IMO. I heard that the developers of Pop OS want to move away from GNOME about time, GNOME3 needs to just die, fork off GNOME2 like Cinnamon did or just make something else. GNOME3 is a catastrophe and needs to be abandoned, and we need new toolkits to replace GTK so we no longer rely in anyway on the abomination that is the GNOME team. They are the worst thing to have ever happened to Linux IMO.

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Mint is just built differently. It's what Ubuntu wishes it could've been but without all the money, I really feel like this distro does not get enough credit for how rock solid it has been throughout all these years. It's made my life so much easier TBH and if you want to have cutting edge you just hunt down a bunch of PPAs instead of having to deal with Arch lol.

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Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice would be interesting. Dunno how feasible but it's a major title that isn't held back by a big publisher like 2K, Bethesda, or Ubisoft.

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We missed things like Project CARS, Evolved, Darksiders 1 and 2 and many more big hits as well. :(

Although you did fail to mention games like Saint's Row 2 and Darkest Dungeon came out this year for us.

Overall something interesting will have to happen for Linux to pick up again but honestly anything is possible in the world of technology. To me personally it's only a matter of time before Linux picks up for gaming, we had a good start with SteamOS and whenever Half Life 3 happens to come out it'll be the start of a whole new wave of big AAAs again for us and reinvigorated effort.

I know Linux will be there for the long haul whenever Blizzard decides to release Hearthstone (and Overwatch) for Linux as those are the two most popular PC games right now by a long shot outside of DOTA 2 (which we already have) and LoL (dying game IMO).

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This is only a small handful of a much bigger annoyance and an indication of a big decline for Linux gaming. It's going to be slow for a while and most of these ports will probably never see the light of day as long as Valve refuses to back their own platform. Street Fighter V is a big indication of where Valve stands on its own platform since they're suppose to be the ones backing this port.

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The fact that you're posting this news article and not news about big games coming out on Linux is a big tell though.

How many delayed/cancelled ports do we have? Vive, Occulus Rift support? What big games exactly are using Vulkan on Linux? What big Vulkan games on Linux are even proposed for that matter? How many DX12 games have been announced though? Whatever happened to us ever getting past 1%? Blizzard just wanted us to get to 2% and we still haven't done shit since SteamOS and Valve, it wouldn't be surprising that Valve just puts SteamOS on the side as a side project in case M$ ever tries to force their Windows store. Otherwise I wouldn't hedge anything on SteamOS TBH.

If Valve was serious about SteamOS they would have actually put real money into it they would've funded ports and paid Bethesda to bring their big games to Linux, they didn't. No one outside of us knew the day SteamOS came out because everyone was too busy playing Fallout 4. This article is only further enforcing this truth people like me wouldn't exist if the situation wasn't what it was.

I keep hearing 2000 games, most are old AAA games, indie games, or very bad games. F1 2015 is a very niche title, Tomb Raider 2013 is a good title despite being old but it runs better in WINE than natively.

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