Quoting: kuhpunkt

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Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: kuhpunkt

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Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: GuestWait....you're saying simultaneously that someone is wrong, but it's an opinion (which by definition is subjective and therefore wrong/right do not apply)? And what, exactly, are you saying I'm wrong about? Are you actually suggesting that a dev just puts their game on Steam and....magically Valve take care of the marketing for free?

Actually I'm not even sure what you have a problem with. I'm guessing, and purely a guess at this point, that you might perhaps think that Steam sales count as marketing, and holding sales is a service that contribute to part of the 30% cut Valve takes? That doesn't seem right. Please be specific.

You're making bath faith arguments.

Your argument is that Valve does no marketing. I listed three things that most definitely is marketing. Yes, sales too - those come in many flavors that draw attention to the product. And no, outside of Steam, developers have to do their own marketing, but on Steam Valve do all the above mentioned things to drive purchases.

Bath faith arguments? Is that supposed to mean something? I feel like you're trying to be insulting, but sorry that's entirely lost on me.

I said Valve does no marketing for a game with the 30% cut they take. It's simply not a service they provide that should be counted towards such a cut. They do marketing of a sort - obviously with certain publishers for front page splashes on new releases, or for their own benefit, there are additional factors at play.
However, quite how you see a single title inside of possibly hundreds during a sale as marketing that title, I'm at a bit of a loss about. Also how it comes as a service from that 30% cut?
Valve provide a marketplace with Steam, provides many services, but does not provide marketing. If it were an actual physical marketplace, then Valve (through Steam) would provide the space, would provide notice boards, power, a little hut for wares. They might even try to encourage people into the marketplace area. But they won't market those wares to others, won't make one hut stand out from any other, from the basic area rental (i.e the 30% cut).

...are you saying that Valve actually will? Because that's not a service they can provide for every game. Of course not. Are you saying they're charging for a service they can't provide?

Is there anything Valve could do that you would consider marketing?

Plenty, but I don't think they even should.

Any example?

To what end?

To know what you mean... how hard can it be?

Putting up advertising posters in the city (at least one per game).
I'm wondering as well, to what end you need this, though.

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Quoting: kuhpunktAny example?

Let's turn that around: Let's say part of the cut is for marketing, and let's say, the cut is reduced by this part, what do you think Valve could reasonably do less without shooting its own foot?

Valve wants to have sales, that's how the make money. They have to put in front of each nose what said nose might buy in their very own interest.

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Quoting: Guest....and yeah, I should just stop here, walk away. I really should, but if I can't say something that boils down to as simple as "Steam is a marketplace, not a marketing firm" without being attacked, do I even want to be in this community anymore? Maybe I'll just block more users, keep going for a bit longer.

I'd like to keep you around.

(I didn't see harsh attacks TBH, but I didn't read everything carefully, so I might have missed stuff.)

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Quoting: GuestWait....you're saying simultaneously that someone is wrong, but it's an opinion (which by definition is subjective and therefore wrong/right do not apply)?

I have a serious philosophical problem with what you just said. It is not the case.
Some people think the earth is flat. That is their opinion. It is wrong. The earth is not flat.

The question here is what people would call an opinion. There's a saying: "Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts." [External Link] I wouldn't call "earth is flat" an opinion.

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Quoting: AnzaWhat I have read is that Godot is missing some funding, so it would make sense to collect most of the money for the project.

I was under the impression they gather quite some grants lately? (Ok, I know good developers aren't cheap.)

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Quoting: GuestI feel like I've heard that one before...

I wouldn't let Nicola hear the end of it if he bailed on Linux after all the hours I've spent beta-testing his previous games. :P

Fair in this case, I've been burned enough that I'll believe it when I see it/throw money when it exists. Sadly Linux Kickstarter/preorder promises are dead to me.

I did half a dozen Kickstarter pledges, and only if there's a working Linux demo or they've at least done a Linux game before.
But I vow for Nicola's ability to make a Linux version.

BTW, this should be to penguins' liking: "The game will be released simultaneously for PC (Win, Mac, Linux) and Consoles".

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Quoting: F.UltraThey seem to run some edge-enhancement on the DLSS image and that can make some thing look better while in reality wildly distort the image. The technique was commonly used on low bitrate DVDs (and still used on some BR:s because why not) where it often resulted in ghosting)

IMHO this could only be done by the player, not by anything on the DVD...?

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Quoting: slaapliedjePeople usually like / dislike user interfaces if they don't act in logical ways.

I'd say it's even more important what people are used to. People using Windows for many years wouldn't find it illogical at all that for stopping your computer, you first press "start".

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Quoting: tuubiThe trailer seems a bit... spoilery?

Thanks, I'll avoid it then.

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Quoting: Felix"No Tux No Bux reeeeeeeee"
We have all seen what this approach has achieved over the years for linux adoption and we are seeing what Proton is doing for it in the Steam monthly reports.

I looked - and it did nothing.
Proton is here for over three years, and the (little) rise for some months.

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