I think the decrease in performance would be quite tangible. As I recall, IA64 had some kind of 32-bit emulation *in hardware*, and it got absolutely smoked by AMD64, which had native x86 support. The Itanic is no more, and Intel makes AMD64 CPUs.

There could be hope that 32 bit games are so old that that's still fine?
They're written for computers > 10 years old, I guess?

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Yes but the Fedora proposal was to remove 32bit from the base OS. Nobody was talking about removing 32bit from flatpak.

Don't you think Flatpak will face the same problem as Ubuntu and Fedora?

Therefore I do not understand why everybody freaks out here. Nobody is in fact taking the precious 32bit apps away from anyone. But instead of running them natively ppl may want to finally adopt flatpaks?

Well, as you asked for "want": No, I don't want. :)
(And as I'm running Debian, I don't face the lib problem (yet), it's got about all libs compiled for 32 bit.)

If you visit Steam for Linux forums regularly, you see people having all sort of problems with Flatpak, like no access to other hard drives or the microphone not working. I'm sure this all is solvable, but it does create additional problems for people that the "pure native" (I'm missing a good expression here.) version does not have.

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@Vortex_Acherontic

I actually do not understand the arguments till this very day. I validated my previous claim on how am I running a 64bit only distro and it turned out to be true. Yet Steam works just fine even old 16bit Windows games via 32bit Wine as 64bit Wine can not emulate Win95. As well as any old unmaintained 32bit native Linux game (Unreal Gold, UT2004, The very first SDL Port of Quake called Fitz Quake just to name a few). All thanks to flatpak running either Bottles, Lutris or Steam.

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Therefore from my personal point of view. I do not understand how removing 32bit form the base OS kills gaming? It clearly does work. As well as for the other 7.42% of Linux Steam users running the distro "Freedesktop SDK 24.08 (Flatpak runtime) 64 bit". Which leads me to the conclusion the host does not need to still maintain 32bit libraries if flatpak seems to be capable of handling all this already?

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Can some one please enlighten me. With sources / proofs preferably? I know I did not provided "proof" or sources myself. Beside not understanding the discussions.

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Or do I fundamentally misunderstood here something? I mean it, please I'd really like to understand this.

How do you think Flatpak "solves" the problem of running 32 bit games? It contains the 32 bit libraries! So, the problem is not different, the libs are still needed and still need to be maintained and still need to be packaged!

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An excellent bundle for any penguin-shaped pointing and clicking enthusiast. I bought it for The Will of Arthur Flabbington with a couple of the Nobodies games for filler.

I loved the puzzles of The Will of Arthur Flabbington!
The graphics... not so much. :)
(It additionally hurts that one room was done by Tom Hardwidge (Lucy Dreaming). The difference is huge. X) )
But, it's good!

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So, what achievement do I get for successfully probing Uranus?

Maybe even depending on the.... findings?

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Um, how charitable can one, as a user of 32bit software, read: "Drop 32-bit multilib support on x86_64 and stop building packages for i686"?

If the proposal is to drop 32bit, then it breaks everything 32bit. As this happens to include major parts of the "gaming use case", this proposal would break said case.

I didn't read said thread, but they're complaining that people assumed breaking gaming was their intent , when actually they were addressing existing (and hardly deniable) problems.

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I wish I could tell you about more upcoming stuff, but all in due time!

I figure you know some stuff in advance?
Do you want to tell why?

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@The_Real_Bitterman

That's what the Steam Runntimes and org.freedesktop.Sdk.Compat.i386 are for. 32bit support on 64bit systems.

You do not need a single 32bit library to run 32bit software on 64bit systems with flatpak.

Erm... What is inside of the Steam Runtime and org.freedesktop.Sdk.Compat.i386?

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Runs out of the box here on Debian stable.

I hoped for some fancy looking graphics test though.
It seems it does not have that?

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But the idea of offering Debian for Gaming in the same way Bazzite does sounds very complicated!

I wasn't meaning to propose Debian as a Bazzite replacement. :) I guess they're not really in the same market. That said, I'm playing on Debian all fine, and it's by far not as complicated as many people seem to think (including Nvidia usage).

My main question would be: How is Debian doing that, and why are other distributions not doing that?

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