Quoting: hardpenguinOuch, that means the game did really poorly on Steam :(

Do you think? I guess 20.000 could be fine for such a game.

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Quoting: tuubiToo bad about the trendy choices/consequences and multiple endings bullshit. (I'll retract these words if there's more to it than slogging through hours of the same with maybe minor dialogue differences and a different ending sequence.)

I don't feel like it forces me to play again. It just gives more meaning to my single playthrough. (Generally spoken, I don't know about this game.)

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Quoting: hummer010I love Zachtronichs - but I still haven't picked up Shenzhen I/O or Opus Magnum.

Same here! :(

So much great coding puzzle, so little time...

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Quoting: EikeIt's not like they have a big choice. Starve on itch.io or pay for Steam.

Sad but true.

... and I'm part of the problem. :-/

I don't even use the games I got free from GoG, as they don't integrate well into my favorite launcher, Steam. Is there a clean way to launch Steam games (including DRM'ed ones) from a different launcher?

Hey, this is - by pure chance - bringing us back to the topic of launchers the article had set. :D

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Quoting: tuubiYes. It is a huge cut, almost unfair. Of course it's not only access to the storefront, but the download servers and bandwidth as well. In any case, it's apparently what developers are willing to pay to get their games into these stores.

It's not like they have a big choice. Starve on itch.io or pay for Steam.

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Quoting: tuubiDo you have a problem with that figure, or are you just annoyed about now knowing for sure?

Where I'm coming from is the discussion with F.Ultra, who based his/her argument on the claim that the agreements of publishers/developers with Valve were all open. The share is an example that they're not fully open.

Quoting: tuubiSome developers have hinted or outright said it's (about) 30%, but don't expect them to publish their agreements. Why would they? That's a contract between two companies. There's no requirement these deals need to be in the open or even that Valve's cut should be equal in all contracts. It's very likely bigger publishers with enough clout can negotiate a better deal, but a 30% royalty seems very believable for the rest of them.

Why would they publish it? If you've got one strong part - Valve - and many weaker ones - most develeopers and publishers -, it's IMHO in the interest of the smaller ones to share information. It might strengthen their position.

And I'm curious personally. 30% sound realistic, but I find it quite a big share compared to what Valve (or Apple, Google, ...) is doing.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: F.UltraWhich is why I included the fact that all agreements you have to sign with Valve in order to publish on Steam is public in my previous post.

What's the share Valve takes off the Steam price?

Paradox claims that it's 30% in their Annual Reports which match what others have said the cut is. Seams to be a magic number since that is what Google/Apple et al also seams to take in their stores.

If we've got full access to all agreements you have to sign with Valve in order to publish on Steam, shouldn't we have that information first-hand?

What I'm getting at: It seems we don't have that full access. And I wonder if they're under NDA, because it's not like a lot of game makers are telling us clearly what the share is.

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Quoting: razing32I've heard of "Preppers" before.
Haven't heard of any having a ballistic missile under their house. :D

Maybe /they/ have secretly dug in his foregarden...

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What I wondered lately...

Quoting: F.UltraWhich is why I included the fact that all agreements you have to sign with Valve in order to publish on Steam is public in my previous post.

What's the share Valve takes off the Steam price?

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Not sure I'm prepared for this one. :D

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