Quoting: Guest

Quoting: EikeThere's penalties for calling into binaries often (many optimizations cannot be done), but that's not my point.

It doesnt apply here. A CALL instruction is a CALL instruction. Compiling the game code with the wrapper code brings exactly NO speed benefit - we've tried it.

If you're a programmer, you know there's more to it. E.g. functions cannot be inlined in this case (which should be likely for thin wrappers). If it makes a practical difference in your case, I don't know. BTW, If you've got a wrapped Windows binary and a native Linux binary and can do the real comparision, I'd prefer to have the latter one published. ;)

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: EikeIf I want to run Windows binaries on my X86 system, there's a very suitable system to do so:
Microsoft® Windows®

Got it, you have a problem with using "Windows Code" on Linux. It's an entirely idealogical issue for you.. ie you're in the "Native or nothin" crowd. Enjoy "nothin".

I'd ask you to stay pertinent. We both know there's no such thing as "Windows code" in the end - it's all x86 machine code. (Which is why I didn't write that and it doesn't belong into quotation marks.) But there is such a thing as Windows binaries, and that's what I was talking about.
I don't care if you call it "idealogical". Windows is the best system to run Windows binaries. Would you disagree on that?
BTW, thanks for your "nice" wishes to enjoy nothing. I enjoy a lot of native Linux games, way more than I'd ever find time to play. My stack of shame is over a hundred hours large, and the whishlist probably over a thousand. Quite different from "nothing", that is.
Your work (I guess you are working for VP) is appreciated by many Linux gamers. I choose not to be your customer for the moment, though. It shouldn't hurt your feelings.

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Quoting: Guest...and it makes NO DIFFERENCE speed wise as to whether you execute x86 asm that MSVC compiled, or x86 asm that GCC/clang compiled. I have no idea why people cannot understand this.

Who was talking about speed?
I mean, except you?

There's penalties for calling into binaries often (many optimizations cannot be done), but that's not my point.
If I want to run Windows binaries on my X86 system, there's a very suitable system to do so:
Microsoft® Windows®

PS: I don't know why this is brought up every time. VP wrapping is different from what Feral does, the practical impact should be low if it's done well, and everbody decides on his/her own - hopefully based on facts, not on uninformed believes - if he/she wants to buy in this or not.

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Quoting: liamdaweDo you buy Feral games? They're not exactly that different, they have their own special layer as well. As do likely many ports.

As said many times, they are. They don't run Windows binaries, they are fully compiled for Linux. And wrapping source with source is actually a design pattern [External Link] tought to software engineers.

Quoting: liamdaweFacts are, Linux is not currently profitable enough for anyone to consider entirely rewriting a rendering engine to support OpenGL/Vulkan.

Well... yes.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhy do we care how Huns spell things, anyway?

Achtung!
Don't mess with the Huns, boy!

;-)

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80On a pety note valve is actually listed as Valve Corporation on the wiki and on the steam store under the help/contact tab.

According to my dictionary, there's different meanings to "corporation". In the US, it seems connected to allotting shares (which Valve does not), while it is also used in a broader sense like company (which Valve obiously is)...

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Quoting: Mountain ManIf Microsoft acquired Steam, they would immediately invoke that second clause against Linux users (us being "similarly situated Subscribers generally" ) which would kill Linux gaming almost on the spot, unless somebody like GoG stepped in to fill the void, and they've been rather lukewarm towards Linux in general.

a) Microsoft is not that stupid.
b) This would be illegal at least in the European Union (and probably beyond).

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI don't see where a VR device offers that much more functionality than a monitor + controller/mouse.

Right. It's you who doesn't see this.

You pulled that sentence out of context, which is amazing, considering you quoted the next sentence right after that...

Yes, on purpose, because I think this decsribes the problem better than all the kilobytes you wrote about it.
You don't see it, (many) other people do.
I don't think there's much more about it.
It's nothing objective and all your writing won't make it.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPI don't see where a VR device offers that much more functionality than a monitor + controller/mouse.

Right. It's you who doesn't see this.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPFor gaming, or generally anything where being "inside the first person" has an advantage, sure. But that's just a small fraction of things that classical monitors cover.

Yeah, and that's why people like to use it for some kind of games. No matter what you're saying about its weight or anything. You seem to be trying to refute that VR devices will replace everything - but I'm asking again, who even said that before you were trying to refute it?

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Quoting: EikeYeah, that's why people replaced their little Nokias with big Smartphones. Oh, wait...

I hear you say "But these do way more!"
Yes, just like VR devices.

Not a valid comparison.

Then why did you bring it up?

(BTW, smartphones did get larger the last years. iPhone (1): 3,5″, iPhone 8(+): 4,7″/5.5", iPhone X: 5.8".)

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPWhat I care about is the claim that this tech with limited use-cases is THE FUTURE.

Who said that, apart from yourself?

There weren't many postings before you writing about THE FUTURE, and none of them claimed anything like this.

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