Quoting: TheSHEEEPIf you think that civilized means holding back because someone's feelings could get hurt and nicety for the sake of nicety, then I can only fully disagree.

"it is you being the sheep" is not a feeling.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut it doesn't matter, my main point is, it will always weigh more than nothing and will always require you to put something on top of your head. Which will always be more than putting nothing on your head.
Big breakthroughs and replacements of current tech are only established if something is LESS cumbersome, not more cumbersome. See cars, smartphones, etc.

Yeah, that's why people replaced their little Nokias with big Smartphones. Oh, wait...

I hear you say "But these do way more!"
Yes, just like VR devices.
It doesn't matter how much it weighs if it's worth the weight.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPThat point was made for non-FP games.
For first person games, I agree with you.

Ah, ok. I agree that VR doesn't make a huge difference for say Europa Universalis. I would stay with the monitor for this. While I can imagine VR may replace monitors fully some day (did you read Ready Player One?), it shouldn't be the next years.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPPersonally, it is not an immersion that I really need - for me that comes from gameplay mechanics, storytelling, etc. I guess this might be simpler for other people?

How about having both, a good game and unprecedented immersion?

Quoting: TheSHEEEPHow I look at the world - that is just a window. If I move the mouse or hold that controller toward an item - it is just an input command.

You are thinking way to technical about it. My first VR experience, and I'm using this word not as the usual buzzword meaning, but in it's real meaning, was a rollercoaster ride. I got sick! Just how I get on a real rollercoaster! That's not about the input (it didn't have any) or the graphics (minecrafty)! Of course, this wasn't anything to entertain you for a long time, but it showed a physical immersion you cannot have in front of a monitor! You need to add good games to this immersion, but come on, we're just at the beginning. People are starting to learn how you can make a good game in VR.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPWrong. Calling people for what they are behaving like is simply the truth and I will continue to do so.

You can expect everybody here to be a human. So calling somebody a sheep is not the truth.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPLet's not get to the kindergarden level of "let's all say nice things only", please. That doesn't lead anywhere useful.

Insulting people is the opposite of kindergarten? Well then...

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPThere's a small increase in immersion due to the hardware, but due to the player just looking at the field, that is very, very limited.

I don't know why it didn't work for you. But you must have noticed that it's hugely different for many people. In fact I cannot remember a single one, in real life, online or journalist not having experienced a huge increase in immersion. For me personally, it was like having stepped into the monitor after more than three decades of sitting in front of it. That's what VR is all about.

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Quoting: wvstolzingOne deterrent might be that they're not sure how many *new Linux sales* they'll achieve, if they were to release a port. Dual-booters who have already bought Skyrim in antedeluvian ages, or recently on a sale, will get the port for free -- I'm sure that notion is revolting to them.

And this is why I want GNU/Linux-only purchases. It's not like I care about Windows or MAC anyway.

Yes, but... I don't dual boot for over 4 1/2 years now, but I still already own Skyrim. It's too old to port.

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I can't see it clearly on the phone, but... I am Bread? ;-)

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Quoting: ageresSo, how many years old must be games to be considered old enough for wrapping?

I calculated exacty 3.14 years.

Seriously, though: Why you're asking?

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Quoting: ageresAFAIK, source code for Saints Row 1&2 was lost, so VP port is the best what we could have on Linux for SR. It's either this, or nothing. Would nothing be better?

My humble opinion is that binary wrapping is fine for old games, where the source might be lost and porting would probably not be worth the work anyway, but - for me - not for current games.

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Quoting: ShmerlTo make it native, it should be designed with native API as a target. And not retrofitted post factum by wrapping foreign API into native one (no matter on what level). That's about it. And as above, I have no problem with non native ports.

You seem to have a different notion of what "native" binary means in this case.
I'm using "native" binary as "every part of it is compiled for the target system", Linux in this case.
This is what Feral does and VP doesn't do.
VP makes Windows binaries run on Linux.
(And this adds complexity to an already complex topic.)
If that difference doesn't matter for you, it's fine, but that doesn't stop it from being a difference.

Of course, having it so native that everything in it is specifically targeted at the Linux environment would be even better.

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