@Purple Library Guy:
I see what you getting at, but I don't think you have even begun to describe a workable political system there. More like an utopia where everyone has a common goal, completely disregarding the fact that our personalities, needs and desires differ. Just like the utopia of perfect Communism, this idea of an Anarchistic society falls down when you realize that no group of actual, thinking human beings is or wants to be a homogeneous mass of drones. The fact that individualist anarchism is a thing boggles the mind.

History has shown time and time again that even if everyone's basic needs are perfectly covered, people will want something more and look for ways to better their lot. We're curious, selfish, irrational and impulsive (although not equally so), which is probably the reason we thrive as a species, but also the reason we will never attain a perfect, equal society. All we can hope for is one that provides well-being for as many of its members as possible.


I think I'm happy leaving this discussion here. I don't pretend I'm an authority on the subject matter, and I'm not really interested in learning more about Anarchism. Real world politics is boring enough, political philosophy doubly so.

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Quoting: marvtowelA little slower and introduced some issues. Planetary Annihilation: TITANS and Insurgency would hang for a second here and there. Reverted back to the 375.26 driver and everything went back to normal. Maybe a bit early for this one.

Too early for a beta?

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThere is actually no irony in organized anarchism. An + archy = no ruler. Not, no rules. It's perfectly possible to be organized without a boss.

You won't find your definition in a dictionary.

You will find it in the traditions of Anarchism as a movement and in the basic derivation of the word. Please don't talk down to me on this issue, I have paid a good deal of attention to it over a large number of years; I may be wrong about it, but not in ways that can be got at with facile one-liners.

I had no intention to condescend. Sorry about that. I guess my experience with Anarchism as a movement has pretty much preconditioned me not to take it very seriously. A couple of my more impressionable friends from high school actually took up the ideology, hanging with a small group of self-professed anarchists. In reality the whole bunch were pretty much punk fans with angry slogans and a tendency to tag public buildings with their Circle-A logo, although they did read the literature and were very much part of a larger community as far as I understand. None of them seemed to know what they actually wanted though, beyond having no-one telling them what to do. They did like to call me a "slave to the system" and talk about the big brother and the police state, among other things.

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Quoting: tuubiTake another look at the internal politics of these software projects. Far from anarchistic I'd say. More like highly organized and bureaucratic in Debian's case. And none of these projects have prospered without leaders.

Returning to my simple and basic point, it is perfectly possible--indeed, almost mandatory at any size--for anarchy to be highly organized and bureaucratic.
As to leaders . . . well, to some extent, but define "leader". Someone designated to do a task isn't a leader. Do policies get decided unilaterally by these leaders?
Heck, even in those Free Software projects, like Linux, with a benevolent dictator, the whole thing is kind of weird--these benevolent dictators have no power to coerce because not only is membership voluntary but the whole deal can be forked.

What would you call a democratically elected president? Or cabinet ministers? Surely they are leaders even if their power is not absolute? How about a hired CEO of a company?

To get back to the point, Anarchy with any sort of hierarchy or laws is surely bending the concept to a breaking point. I'd say this alone invalidates Anarchism as a political system (which was the original point of this discussion). I'll accept it as a philosophy, but the fact that the rejection of state and of hierarchy is central, I fail to see how you could even imagine an actual, functioning political system based on it.

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Quoting: EikeMerriam-Webster, first explanation:
1 a : absence of government

Yes. I think having a system of government is different from having a leader.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThere is actually no irony in organized anarchism. An + archy = no ruler. Not, no rules. It's perfectly possible to be organized without a boss.

You won't find your definition in a dictionary.

I wondered the same, but di the lookup:
[It is adapted from the ancient Greek (ἀναρχία-anarchia) meaning "absence of a leader”.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_%28international_relations%29#Etymology:)

A word's etymology is not the same as its meaning.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: ArehandoroNo anarchism? Not real nor politics...

Surely it isn't a political system. Or are you one of those people who don't see the irony in organized anarchism? :)

There is actually no irony in organized anarchism. An + archy = no ruler. Not, no rules. It's perfectly possible to be organized without a boss.

You won't find your definition in a dictionary.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhether anarchism is feasible on a sizable scale, like say national, is a different question. But technology is making it more feasible on broader scales of late years. Once upon a time it might have been claimed that complex self-organized leaderless projects collaborating across the globe would be an impossibility. Heck, not so long ago you just wouldn't have strung those words together because it was way past the horizon of what people would think about. But now? Take a bow, various large open source software projects from Debian to Apache.

Take another look at the internal politics of these software projects. Far from anarchistic I'd say. More like highly organized and bureaucratic in Debian's case. And none of these projects have prospered without leaders.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThere was a time when technology didn't support national-scale representative democracy; for that you need a certain level of communication and transportation across the country, and probably the printing press.

Right. A level of technology an anarchistic society would have had a hard time achieving. :)

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Quoting: Eike... like Feral and Aspyr.

Aspyr doesn't have a store anymore, right?

I though the same, but when I looked it up, it seems they had a store on another website, closed this one - but still have their store on their own website.

All the "BUY IT NOW" links seem to point to the Steam store though?

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Quoting: g000hPicked up Humble Bundle Best of 2016 "Beat The Average" myself, but only for 2 games I wanted. The remaining 4 games, I'm gifting to a friend who is gifting me the 3 Linux games from Humble Overwhelmingly Positive Bundle (Day of the Tentacle, Pony Island, Refunct).

Now where can I find one of those Windows friends. :D

No seriously, I bought the bundle as well and I'm only keeping two of the games, gifting the rest. I will have to buy DotT soon though, I really miss that wacky gem of an adventure.

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Quoting: tuubiAspyr doesn't have a store anymore, right?

Isn't that MacGameStore and WinGameStore?

No, it was GameAgent.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: tuubiYou don't need a whitelist. Just stick to Steam, GOG and Humble or buy direct from dev.

... like Feral and Aspyr.

Aspyr doesn't have a store anymore, right?

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