Quoting: scaineAnyone can use snaps. Nothing proprietary about them.

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I wish I knew where all the Canonical hate comes from. Redhat doesn't get this shit for Fedora. SUSE gets a free pass. I've always wondered why folk are so quick to jump on this particular bandwagon.

Sure that’s why I said proprietary-ish.

Not sure anyone said anything about disliking or hating Canonical. But because they add extra software features it doesn’t make for a very good baseline distro unless you plan to leverage said features and software.

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Quoting: scaineProprietary-esque? What the hell does that mean?

Canonical adds Canonical made software/features by default to Canonical’s OS. Snap packages come to mind.

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Quoting: scaineI can't speak to the veracity of that claim. I doubt we'll ever know for sure why Valve went with an Arch-based over Ubuntu, but I certainly doubt it's anything to do with Debian's "gatekeeping". That gatekeeping as you call it, is often referred to as "quality control". Gatekeeping, in this context, is a good thing. And there are still lots and lots of ways around it (PPAs, forks, patchsets), so I doubt it's why Valve went with Arch instead.

Not my area of expertise though. Perhaps you're right. But it sounds like an oversimplification of a very complex landscape.

Valve already publicly stated that lack of recent packages in Debian is why they switched to an Arch base so no mystery there. Debian while it’s difficult package process can guarantee quality, that same gatekeeping can also push package maintainers away which doesn’t produce anything. Sure there’s a multitude of reasons but results are the same, packages take a while to get through to Debian.

Ubuntu on the other hand has has so many additions from Canonical that it makes sense why Valve would target something a little less proprietary-esque like Arch.

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Quoting: scaineWhat are you referring to?

SteamOS v1 and v2 were Debian based (and outsourced even). This meant that Valve assisted with a base distros development. Ubuntu would have benefit from these improvements if v3 (Valve internal Steam OS) were still Debian based. Debian package ecosystem is notoriously gatekept and difficult for various reasons. So Valve chose an Arch base instead.

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It’s too bad that Debian is so focused on politics of how Debian should operate so much that packages can’t even make it into Sid fast enough that it blew their chances with Valve and Ubuntu has to pick up the pieces.

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Theres‘s a free version on Steam called: Stumble Guys. Not sure about Steam Deck compatibility though.

EDIT:
Steam Deck compatibility looks good! https://www.protondb.com/app/1677740 [External Link]

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