Quoting: ridgeAs an Arch user on all my devices (except the Pi). Yeah. Yeah I don't blame you one bit. I haven't experienced any breakage with my hardware but I keep reading about it and other issues that can occur, so while I do love Arch, it kind of feels like a minefield at times even for me. Fedora's a great choice! I tried it on a laptop just over a week ago and I'm a big fan, packages are relatively up to date and it's so simple to set up. A bit bloated out of the box, for my tastes, but that's just nitpicking really, so I'm definitely recommending Fedora KDE or Mint to anyone who might ask me what their "first distro" should be.

Yeah, arch still has and always will have a special place in my heart. It is good, but probably not for the every day use of a person who does not want or does not have the skills to tinker.

Fedora for new users? Well, I certainly would not recommend that. In my personal opinion there are better distros for that, though based on Ubuntu (as Neon) which I wouldn't touch, for new users who want stability, the LTS kernel and just "use" the systems and very likely... mostly just a web browser in todays time, it's perfectly valid.

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Quoting: dibzExactly why I use Mint. There is absolutely no reason Linux has to be a chore for Desktop use, it's well-supported, it's been around long enough for me to know it'll continue being around for the foreseeable future, many of it's defaults match my preferences, and I generally like their stances on things like Snap while also making things like Nvidia drivers easy to install. Most of all, they're an excellent buffer between the user and Ubuntu; Sure, it makes some packages slower to roll out then Ubuntu, but also GOOD -- Mint tends to polish Ubuntu's occasional turds.

Why I did not use a Ubuntu/Debian based distro was that it adds an additional upstream level.

I wanted a upstream distro, because the downstream ones pull bugs and issues and have to wait for upstream to fix it.

That leaves Debian, Fedora, Suse, Solus and Arch basically.

Maybe Ubuntu since they rebase and compile their owm repos and therefore do have the control too.

Debian was too outdated in stable, and you have the Nvidia issue too. At least for my dev purposes, and using testing is like using Fedora with still more outdated Packages.

Suse is well, Suse, it has Yast, and when i see yast I want to throw my PC out of the window. It duplicates config options into a tool where they should not be. It's a long standing hatred since 1998, though, gave Suse a shot last year, and if there was no Yast I could live with it.

Arch... too bleeding for my taste. And not really for me for desktop use, I want to use not tinker.

Fedora.. was the closest I found to what I wanted, and I like their silverblue approach (even if I do not use it yet). I think that could be the future approach, but I'll wait.

Ubuntu. Well, nothing ever got or will get me within a mile of that one, mostly for their past politics, policies etc.

Fedora could be better when it comes to proprietary stuff, but it's a lot of less hassle than it used to be, at least in the Workstation edition.

Solus basically isn't completely open source. You can not build or distribute your own installer or base a disto on top of Solus, or use their package files and redistribute.

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Quoting: axelb

Quoting: STiATrebooting several times since it just didn't install all packages downloaded

are you sure you arent mistaking it with windows by accident?

Yes, I am. Doing a system update it triggered the "you need to restart" after every package instead after all were downloaded and ready to install.

In Gnome Software that works, in discover it was bugged (switched 2 weeks ago from KDE to Gnome, so it's likely to be still not fixed).

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Quoting: BoldosAs I need to be productive (day-by-day, both office and home, both desktop and server) I just have to say: God bless for LTS distros! :tongue: (Now running desktops on ZorinOS, and it is a blast!)

And yes, migration to AMD two years ago have helped with driver install issues a lot! :woot:

Enjoy the hopping!:smile:

I still wish I have had an option when the GPU prices were just too high and my rig burned down. The only AMD cards I could get I couldn't get equipment to cool them passively, and the most vendors which got the cards on "normal" prices had no proper option for passively cooled AMD cards.

This rig will last a few years with it's 3070Ti. But I'll very likely opt for a AMD card if there is any possibility next time.

Though, it's not as bad as it sounds with NVidia, the lack of support for official open source drivers is buggering me.

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If you're on Nvidia, expect the drivers to break now and then in fedora.

Using it since January, and nvidia akmod broke once due to kernel changes required a new nvidia driver and fedora didn't give a damn and rpmfusion was a day late or so.

But you could still boot the old kernel and it worked.

I had issues with discover actually not treating system updates properly and rebooting several times since it just didn't install all packages downloaded. That's far better in Gnome, no idea if that's fixed by now since I still try to give Gnome a fair chance :-).

For Nvidia and the rpmfusion: in Gnome there was a start screen where you enabled them with a click and just had to install akmod-nvidia and kernel-devel, which for some reason did not get installed by akmod but it requires it.

Otherwise I'm pretty satisfied with Fedora. I'd prefer official nvidia support too, but it is how it is.

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Finally the re-download stuff gets a fix. That was really annoying the hell out of me.

Wondering if that fixes the re-download and shader pre caching on pretty much every start. That will show, but I doubt they really had updates to the games sometimes every hour or so.

No, it's not my download cache ;-)

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Basically hooking into the debug engine adding a plugin option?

That's smart.

For the ones having fears: if I judge the code right it can not do too much. Plugins seem to be limited to the sidebar, and they show information there provided by the javascript plugin. I doubt cheating can or ever would be implemented that way. Not really feasable. You could add config options for external cheat tools though, but that would be an easy layer for detection, and they would not want that.

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Oh damn, I need that extension! How else am I got plaster my toilet walls with nice gaming screenshots! Taking screenshots and printing them one by one is a lot of effort!

And this is not an april fools joke! It's real work!

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Compiling shaders twice a day, nothing is more fun :D. Though, the peripheral stuff did not hit me, but it would be annoying if it did (I have a lot of Unity games I play).

The speed they fixed this at was pretty impressive.

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Actually, switching the GTK theme in gnome tweaks to adwaita-dark does the trick. No idea why the "dark mode" does not set it for legacy applications, but that may be an incentive to gnome devs to actually adopt (the "we do stuff, you adopt and we don't care" attitude they showed in the past, not caring for the actual user experience. I think it bad practice though in terms of consistency while I understand wanting to push applications to use the new adwaita theming to be consistent with the rest, but I think at least minimal compatibility could have been kept.

Though, of course the incentive for developers to adopt would be less.

I do not understand the issue of them not deploying a systray either, relying on a plugin. Legacy support cut down (which pretty much comes down to fedora defaults) is a bit crap.

I think Gnome and Fedora defaults are at fault here. I understand the incentive of not doing stuff to make people migrate, but actually... that's a little bit much on the user.

By now I really got adopted to the Gnome (default) workflow though, and I have to say .. I expected it to be terrible by the description, and it isn't, it' actually pretty great. I though I could not live with the app switch mechanic, and it turns out - I do like it. Especially since I can keep one screen the same (mostly docs and shell), and switch applications (or rather activities) just on my primary screen pretty efficiently switching between the different applications (or the library and application in two source code editors) while keeping the shell and docs on screen. That really helps my workflow.

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