And Valve reportedly stopped payouts to Ukraine developers.

That really put them on my bad side now. I hope they remedy that soon, I'd dislike to have to stop using Steam.

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Well, I agree that a lot is not in Wine is not needed for games, and I always hoped for a lighter version for that use case.

That said, the biggest issue are the really bad game launchers. Game devs are not application developers and it shows. And thats something Stadia will most likely never allow, so the approach can help them, but very lilely will have little impact for the rest of us.

3 devs does not sound a lot, but can be a lot if you only solve a certain subset of issues.

They probably can ignore a lot of system interaction wine has to build.

A few hundred thousand lines of code sounds a lot especially if more complex, but it really must not be in this case.

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From scratch... hmh, that's interesting. I do not think they really will do a complete reimplementation of the windows API, that's a huge task.

I am ingrigued, but I have my doubts. But let's see the talk.

I'd like if they put that open source, I think wine/proton do a good job, but if they have an acr up their sleves it would be nice.

I doubt that it will be open source, but who knows.

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Ohj that's a cute one. Didn't know it. I'll buy that in the evening.

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Quoting: TrainDoc

Quoting: STiATThey will be doing a TF2 update. I am pretty sure about that, but since they flagged it only playable, it's certeinly coming after the release, but they will do it. Most likely just too much to do to get it in time.

That's some wishful thinking right there.

I do not think so. I do not even play TF, but valve has a record of bringing their IPs very late to new engines and often still rely on outdated features which are pretty much deprecated even using the current engine (or things which were in place since former engines did not support it and they never migrated to the capabilities provided on the new engine), in end they always did it, late, often years later but they did.

It will not take years this time. The time invested and devs are peanuts for Valve, and they do have a reason to do so.

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They do not have contracts for the IPs for SteamDeck. I think it's as simple as that.

A lot of the games they ported would be a good experience on steamdeck. But that would require the publishers to agree for the revenue cut to go to feral, without that it makes no sense for them.

And supporting steamos 3 .. seriously is a non issue technically.

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They will be doing a TF2 update. I am pretty sure about that, but since they flagged it only playable, it's certeinly coming after the release, but they will do it. Most likely just too much to do to get it in time.

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Interesting. Will keep an eye on that one.

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Quoting: PhiladelphusHuh, I've never thought to try Cities: Skylines with Proton, since it already runs perfectly fine natively on my computer. Maybe I should do a comparison. 🤔

I get stutters and hangs if the city grows too big in the native version (that said, I built a version of Vienna, which isn't that small). Had it on AMD and NVidia, and it takes more on the GPU in the native one than using DXVK for me.

Granted, it runs well enough in native, the occasional stutter or short hang can be lived with since it's not game where this matters, but it's better in Proton, at least that's what I experience.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: STiAT

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: TheBardMost games runs better on proton than natively.

[citation needed]

Note that there are 9,612 [External Link] native games on Steam today, so you need to show that at least 4,807 of them work better through Proton on all hardware.

I think he meant the native ports. And he is right there. I have had better experience with a number of games using Proton than using the native port.

... and so does CatKiller. If you say "most" of the native ported games work better on Proton, you at least need to have tested with a majority of them.

Holy crap, there are 9k native games? The number just seemed too high so I expected this to be a misunderstanding. My bad.

Though, for my library at least it's true, I basically play all native titles with Proton because they work better that way (cities skylines, poe, tyranny, valheim, the witcher 2, ...)

What I can say is that most feral ports work nicely (thinking on mad max and others there), as do native Valve games (where some do use native dxvk but at least no proton), most based on unity (which are a lot) or have their own native ports don't work very well natively.

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