Quoting: TheBossUpdate: After emailing Feral Interactive as their mini-site and newsletter stated different requirements, they have edited their mini-site to only list Nvidia once again.

When I read support for Inter I thought it can't be true :D.

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Quoting: ajgpI hope you are as well, but currently the Steam landing page is curiosly absent of any big fanfare. Im hoping that is because of the time difference and when the USA comes online steam will be loud and proud about SteamOS's release today. I will be severely dissappointed if today passes as if it is any other day for valve.

The most disappointing thing is that knowing valve it may as well pass like nothing happened :(

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Quoting: MaelraneIf you are not into sandboxes and pvp, then you are simply not the target audience. Easy as that. In the early days of mmorpgs, there were very few examples of instanced dungeons and stuff like that.

what does sandboxes MMORPG means? I have newer played Ultima online so I do not know. Is it like My online?

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Quoting: Imants

Quoting: Mountain ManFor that matter, you can even buy Linux-compatible versions of Bioware classics like Baulders Gate 1 and 2, and Icewind Dale.

There's no need to waste a single penny supporting Larian.

Wasn't Baldurs gate and Icewind dale interplay classics made buy Black Isles?

Were they? I could have sworn they were Bioware titles.

O.K., you're right about Icewind Dale, but Baulder's Gate 1 and 2 were definitely Bioware games.

http://www.bioware.com/en/games/ [External Link]

You where more right than me but in some aspect we bought where right :D.
Baldurs gate where developed by Biowhare but published by interplay and still belongs to interplay. Thanks to wikipedia and you I learned something new today :)

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Quoting: Mountain ManFor that matter, you can even buy Linux-compatible versions of Bioware classics like Baulders Gate 1 and 2, and Icewind Dale.

There's no need to waste a single penny supporting Larian.

Wasn't Baldurs gate and Icewind dale interplay classics made buy Black Isles?

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Wasn't the problems with performance even on windows?

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Quoting: Maelrane

Quoting: Mountain ManValve's explanation actually seems rather reasonable. If they're selling a Linux game through Steam then they want to ensure that it will work on any version of Linux that's running Steam, which means linking against the Steam libraries. I don't have a problem with that.

So any java game that runs on linux is not going to work then... *sighs* doesn't only hit java though.

(inb4 argument for/against java)

No jme-games on steam anymore :(

Well I won't miss them :D. But if we talk seriously then as I read this thread then
a) you will need to get licence permission from Orcle to use they're java and bundle it with game (it sounds pain in the ass and quite expensive)
b) you can use OpenJDK and bundle it with game (I hope not to big licencing issues)
c) valve gets java licence from Oracle and puts it in they're allowed libs (android runs on java so it should be theoretically possible for valve to do it right)

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Quoting: Maelrane

Quoting: ImantsVery easy. You bundle most of the stuff yourself and it stays there. And "one set of libs to rule them all" always keeps backward comp-ability for older games so that older games always use those libs whiche they where tested for. And new games can chose to develop against newer libs.

So in the end I have libxy.so.4 until libxy.so.n bundled and managed by valve? urgs...

Ore you bundle all yourself even steamos libs. There is only those two acceptable options. Because SteamOS primary objective is to make games playable for console players. And valve will only manage libs in steamos I think all other platforms will need to manage them themselves. Because if you do not use steam at all and buy games at GOG you will still need those libs.

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Quoting: MaelraneCorrect me if I am wrong but with the current attitude towards "one set of libs to rule them all" imagine this:

We have games and they run today. Now some breaking change comes in one of those libs and suddenly there is a bug in the game which is not introduced by a faulty lib, but with a bug in the game that came to show with an updated lib.

Now developers for that game have lost interest some time ago, they do not sell enough units anymore.

So, who is gonna fix the game?

Very easy. You bundle most of the stuff yourself and it stays there. And "one set of libs to rule them all" always keeps backward comp-ability for older games so that older games always use those libs whiche they where tested for. And new games can chose to develop against newer libs.

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Quoting: reaVerIf they are removing the steamOS icons, can they at least put the Linux icons back?

Technically they should but practically I think they would not do that because I do not think they are interested to much in Linux as SteamOS. And everything that runs on vanilla SteamOS should run on any other normal Linux distributions and I think they even less care about non standard Linux distributions so they should not see the point to do that.

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