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Quoting: edqeNemesis-system is fine but Crusader Kings has it already but in much more deep and versatile form.

I have no idea how you thought to compare this game to Crusader Kings 2.

Quoting: OZSeafordHaha, a comparison with Crusader Kings was the last thing I was expecting to see. Good game as well by the way.

OK OK ;), quite far fetched but the Nemesis-system has been so praised while I don't see anything special about it although it may be new in button mashing games. Shadow of Mordor won many GOTY titles which I found it quite surprising. Nemesis-system was one of the most praised features and the game was given "most innovative" titles as well.

In CK I build bigger army for example by taking allies by using other "commanders" (baron, count, ...) weaknesses. Weak "commanders" gets stronger if they are able to beat the stronger ones, etc. The system is just way more complex and versatile,

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Quoting: camocelticI'd be okay if some of it were DLC that everyone had to pay for, but if I paid the same amount as Kickstarter backers because the point of that price was to give everyone the same stuff, why do they get this extra stuff for free that I have to pay $13.50 for?

They made the game possible and personally I think they deserve get more. I had change to support them but I didn't. My bad and I don't think I deserved get the extension for free.

They gave the extension for free already for 44,162 backers. That was nicely done from them but of course some sees it in negative light.

People who doesn't understand the risks of Kickstarter and Early Access shouldn't support the projects. We would avoid lots of pointless bullcr*p.

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It is great to have this game on Linux although personally I don't like the game at all. The game is way too simplistic, repetitive and easy (at least with m+kb) for my taste. Nemesis-system is fine but Crusader Kings has it already but in much more deep and versatile form.

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Quoting: camocelticNope! I supported them on Early Access, paying the same amount as some of their Kickstarter backers. Why do I get less of a product for the same amount of money when the whole purpose of it being as expensive as it was during Early Access was to make the Kickstarter backers feel like they didn't get shafted?

Kickstarter backers made the game possible in the first place. I backed the game in Early Access and I'm more than fine that Kickstarter backers gets TITANS for free.

Quoting: camocelticWhy was this UPDATE released as a standalone expansion?

Q: Xanoxis: ummm, Do you feel Titans was a right move, and how you feel about it launch so far?

A: jables: TITANS was a good move i think. It allowed us to go farther than the original plan of PA, and we would never have been able to afford to to that with just continued updates

https://forums.uberent.com/threads/jables-3-question-game-log.69348/ [External Link]

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Quoting: N30N

Quoting: edqeI think the problem is that we know nothing what is going inside the company and what all ideas they have went trough.

You can always ask directly by getting involved in the 3 question game [External Link]. ;)

I look forward to hear about their financial status and other secrets ;)

Hey, but thanks for sharing the link. I didn't know they have interesting stuff like that going on in their forum.

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Quoting: gojulThe problem is that the game was already marked as final one year ago so this does not account. They promised that all updates would be free, but actually it was liar.

Yes. Unfortunately the final game didn't met all Kickstarter goals, but everyone who supported the project knew that could happen.

People who supported the project during Early Access - like me - knew already that the project didn't met all goals. I supported the project because I wanted them to have a change to make the game as good as possible.

Uber has pushed patches and improvements to PA since its release (~10 months) - like just recently this one [External Link]. The updates has added many features from original KS goals that were missing on release.

Yes, maybe TITANS is a bit expensive for people who has bought PA after its release. But still, Uber still doesn't force to buy TITANS so people who thinks it is too expensive should vote with their wallets.

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Quoting: nitroflowOr maybe they shouldn't over-promise what they could do on the kickstarter budget ...

All KS projects I know the KS budget has not been even near enough; Wasteland 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Elite: Dangerous, etc. All of them ended up to use lots of their own money to deliver the game in the end. Making estimations is no easy. Underestimate the required work has been a problem from the beginning of KS and especially if the game is team's first KS project.

Quoting: nitroflowIn the end it's all about management and PR. If you don't deliver what you promise because you mis-manage, people are going to be angry at you. If you then proceed to fan the flames by failing at damage control, people will be even more angry at you.

Maybe there would have been a manager who would have foresee all the problems beforehand and make a perfect estimations about the required work. This time that person wasn't on the project.

Kickstarter and Early Access projects has their risks and sometimes they fail just like software projects does. People who are not ready to lose their money or get just a simplified version from what was the goal in the beginning, shouldn't support and put money to KS or EA projects but wait the final version.

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Quoting: gojulIf they provided all the updates (UI, inter-planetary battles which were promised for the original game, tutorial, map generator) for free, but the new maps and units as a paid DLC I'd have been OK.

Maybe their financial situation is so bad that it is simply impossible to give features for free at the moment . Paid units would affect negatively to multiplayer games if others has paid units giving advantage. Maybe nobody would have bought the maps since community could make them for free with the editor.

I don't know ... I guess the situation is bad at the moment but even worse if they would have done otherwise.

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Quoting: gojulNo problem with this. But why they do make original buyers pay more while the new buyers get PA Titans for the same price as original PA buyers did, while original PA is removed from Steam ?

Ah, yes. Well, I can only think that they really required money to be able to continue and had to make this kind of decision. They tried another Kickstarter project (Human Resources) some time ago which failed. I guess that could had very big impact to their financial status as well since they had enough people to work on that project along with PA - because of KS failure those people left out of a project.

It is really hard to say what kind of situation drove them to make these unfortunate decisions. I personally believe they simply had to do so, to have a change to continue running the business.

I was more than happy to pay ~15€ more. I like the game a lot and I like to see more games from them in the future. It is good to see that TITANS has still relatively good reviews despite of "haters" giving the game bad points because of non-game related issues.

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Quoting: gojulThe problem is that they make their previous customers pay again for what was promised in the original release. This is the reason for the insults.

Kickstarter projects doesn't meet the goals every time. People who supports Kickstarter or Early Access games has to understand that.

Uber Entertainment needs money as well to pay salaries, taxes, rent, etc. They pushed PA as far as they can in last 10 months. Maybe that was as much as they can do with the money that had.

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