Quoting: Crazy PenguinWell, just another AMD-bla bla bla. IMHO AMD should be better get stuff going instead of talking about it.

ZEN is done for a little while now, but AMD is fabless. They have to wait for Global foundries and Samsung to make ready their 14nm production line.

It seems like we didn't see GPUs in 20nm because Apple was prioritary(understand bigger economically) and needed all the production lines of TSMC, you know, for their new shitphone. Yep, we could have had new GFX cards in 2015. But it is not the fault of the chip designers.

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Quoting: MaokeiI guess AMD strategy will be to make a pure powerful CPU without spending allot of silicon making space for a GPU most people wont use in their desktop machine like intel.

With the 14nm of Global foundries & Samsung that will be used to make the ZEN CPUs AMD could actually combine a powerful CPU with a very decent graphic part, I mean, decent for gaming.
The max quantity of transistors with the actual 28nm process is almost reached by the fidjii GPU(7,9 Billion if I remember accuratly ...).
Actual FX vishera 8300 series(and so the 9000) count only 1,2 billion transistors.

AMD could make some big APUs with 4 or 6 cores(physical, twice logicals with their own HT that ZEN will introduce) and 2048 Radeon cores(as in a 7970, but with a brand new arcitecture) in a power package that's not above 100 watt TDP.
The integration in small form factor like laptops or mini-itx rigs could be very interesting.
If this would come with HBM(2) it would be super energy efficient and powerful enough for gaming in good condition, presets high, good framerate ...
Also with vulkan( and DX12 but we do not give a single fuck, right ?) the integrated graphics can easily and substantially help the discret GPU ...

Their actual plateforme FM2+ got pins physically dedicated on the CPU part, and the rest for the GPU part, so the best they can make on it as pure processor are what they call Athlon, that does not use the pins dedicated for GPU on the motherboard.
Their new plateform, FM4, could not have this problem. In this case they can make some strong APUs as mentionned above, and also very big pure CPUs reusing the pins that are used by the graphical part when you put an APU on your motherboard, with twice the physicals cores(8 ? 12 ? 16 ?) ...
But this last idea is pure speculation.

*edit : The maximum transistor count with the 14nm process is around 15 Billion.
We won't see any chip with that count at the launch of the process, but at the end of his cycle we should be seeing some monster GPU reaching it, as it happenned with the 28nm process.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Steam in these cases is the lesser of two evils

I don't see Steam as evil at all? It's a digital distribution platform - so what? It's even a platform for free software. And like it's said in the article: No exclusivity periods, it's free for the users, it's cross platform, it's proven to be a reliable service, they support Linux.
Where's the evilness?

Steam is not free software. Here's the evilness !
Why the heck are you using GNU/Linux ?

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Bought & finished today.
Cool, but a bit short.

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I think for some things, it is a matter of opinion, but i believe that most of the time, the answer is dicted by common sense.
I also think it is the case of how we should "considere" GNU/Linux.
I think that common sense, with little thinking, lead to considering GNU/Linux as the standard OS. Even if we all now that informaly microsoft windows is leading the market share.
Because it seem evident, and out of discussion, that the actual situation is everything but ideal.
And it seem also evident, with little thinking, that free software should be the norm, the standard, the rule, and proprietary software should be the exception.

A develloper can wether chose to be pragmatic, or to do the right thing to do. Because yes, i think that in almost any situation there's a choice to do, that can tend to an ideal of how the world should be, or something else that can beconsidered as a mistake.

So a developper can wether support GNU/Linux, wether not. He can make his work for him, for money, trying to target people with marketing and all that bullshit, or he can make it for the community, for the people to enjoy it.(remember kids, money comes in second place, not first)

Porting your game on GNU/Linux as a developper means : "I want anybody on earth that would want to play my game, to be able to do so". Because it is NOT normal to accept the license proposed by microsoft, and only free software can be imagined as a standard plateforme openned to everyone.

Didn't you guys, forgot why you went on GNU/Linux ? You did it for the technical aspect ? So you can customize your desktop ? Your system ? run command lines in root ? That's cool and i like to be free to do so if i want to on my system, but honestly, that 's not essential(i don't really give a damn fuck to be honest).
The ethic aspect seems much much much much more revelant to me. And further more, it is the reason why we have so much flexibility, choice, and even the reason why our software is BETTER in every aspect than proprietary one. as it is not defective by design ...

To end that confused monologues, I think "we" do not just want to play on a different system. We want informatic that is ethic, i am wrong ?
Because if you're pragmatic, i think you should go back on windows. Only my personal toughs, thanks for reading.

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Hi guys, it's been a while since I didn't commented(forgot my login ><).

But when i saw this, i just had to.

I consider microsoft as the natural born ennemy of GNU/Linux, so it does not surprise me that their influence stole us a title.
What surprise me is that there is not more microsoft bashing here at GOL, and everywhere else where we like GNU/Linux.

Microsoft is the only significent reason why we can't play on our favorite system.
Honestly, what is the purpose of directx if it is not to set a monopoly ?
So much time focusing on personnal interest rather than developping better games ...

Those people at microsoft realy annoye me. I understand they have there reasons, but i don't understand those reasons(aka profit, profit and more profit).

<snip> (editor: don't be a dick about it)
/rage quit

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Impatient to see what gameplay will looks like.

It sounds like ... The Call of Cthulhu, it seems at least as obsessing as this "call of the sea".

It makes me think that a new game based on the Call of Cthulhu is in developpement. I hope there will be a GNU version.

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Quoting: Segata SanshiroUp for a multiplayer game this weekend if anyone feels like it :)

This week end ? playing day n night right ?

The last time I played multiplayer at this game with a friend it took a week(playing the whole afternoon of each day) to end the game.

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I love GamingOnLInux and Aspyr Media. I wish both of them a long and successful life !

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I understand that you're an Hedonist.

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