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What have you been playing recently? Come tell us what you think about it
6 April 2020 at 3:14 am UTC Likes: 2

Witcher 3, Doom 2016. On top of that, my daughter and my son discovered Sonic All-Star Racing. In split screen, we have quite a blast, thanks to Proton!

inXile Entertainment announce Wasteland 3 is delayed until August 28
2 April 2020 at 8:31 pm UTC Likes: 1

Being a mechanical CAD designer and doing the hardware support for the company, we began a tansition to convert our workstations to mobile workstations, 2 years ago. Innitialy it was for home-working in case of kids' getting sick, when school is closed during snow-storms (Canada) or other family related stuff. At the moment we are really happy to have done the transition, because we are 100% operational.

A good VPN access, a good business and home internet connection and, in our case, Solidworks EPDM vault to work locally (limiting the need to top our uploading cap) and it's quite easy and efficient to work at home.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
31 March 2020 at 8:25 pm UTC

slaapliedje... why shift everything around and try and base it off something else?

You should ask that to PL Griffais or TTimo, but that's what their comments are pointing at:
QuoteI wouldn't expect much more movement on Debian-based Brewmaster at this point

Why specify "Debian-based" if it's not relevant and is not an important aspect?

This and a comment from PL Griffais on Twitter, during the Ubuntu 32bit debacle, which I can't find anymore, about the future of Steamos... Something along the lines: "We are looking for our options, but we are tired of working with Debian tooling."

slaapliedjeProblem is so many games in my library don't play correctly with a controller, so I end up spending most big tv time playing on the PS4.

I must be getting old... Sitting in front of my desk to play games is something I don't like anymore... I long for my couch. From the day I put my hands on my Steam Controller, K+M and gaming in chairs have lost all appeal to me; when a game requires K+M, I just don't play it, more often than not. This and the fact that I have a lot of tearing issues with my Nvidia GPUs that makes me switch to the SteamOS-Compositor (SteamOS' BPM DE) where I get an awesome experience with or without VSync (no full composition pipeline that causes micro stuttering required). But I still prefer Steam to any console because it's not hardware locked.

Have fun however you wish to play, no matter the Linux distro that you wish to use.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
31 March 2020 at 2:11 pm UTC

slaapliedjeTheir priorities switched to getting the Index out. I mean Debian is already well on their way into getting version 11 out, and SteamOS is sitting at 9 if I recall. 10+backports gives you a really great and stable operating system, with newer packages.

No doubt, but it seems quite clear that whatever SteamOS 3.0 will be, it won't be pure Debian based. To some extent, they could even decide to include all the critical SteamOS' components (Gamescope they now call it?) into the Steam client and let the user decide if and on which distro he wants to install them. All of that with a tick box.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
29 March 2020 at 8:18 pm UTC Likes: 1

alkazarSteamOS is "stable" but has terrible game compatibility these days since new games come out and even old games get updated. Proton has lots of problems on SteamOS and recent versions of emulators can't even be compiled for it anymore.

dubigrasuSteamoS is unfortunately no longer relevant. Is just a distro that we used to know (ahem).

Makes me wonder why Valve didn't yet decide to call it a day, like they did with the Steam Machines, and pull the plug on the SteamOS Brewmaster page (or at least remove the download links) and wait for "Clockwerk" (whatever that will mean) to make a comeback.

In the meantime, GamerOS is doing an awesome job!

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
26 March 2020 at 12:43 pm UTC Likes: 1

Hori
Mohandevir
Hori
AllocHaving a full-featured open source "console" desktop from Steam would be cool imo. So not only Steam's BPM but something that resembles consoles more. Supporting streaming services in the interface (Amazon, Netflix, Spotify etc ...), playing videos from the local network, maybe support for Plex. So that you could really use that thing as a TV box and not have to hop around different interfaces for everything but games. Maybe they'll get there ...

Either way I wouldn't care about the underlying distribution ... the SteamOS thing (for me) should just work as-is, I wouldn't use that for desktops anyway.

I never understand why people want Netflix and other apps like that in Steam / consoles... don't their TVs already have those apps? Why would you fire up your pc/console just to watch a movie when you can do it straight from the TV, using the TV remote instead of a gamepad?

The thing is, many Smart-TVs are highly insecure with far and few between security updates, if ever. For this reason, I avoid using them, as much as possible, and replace the "smart" part by a TV-Box that gets maintained regularly.
I don't expect there to be too many people that do that. People would prefer using 1 TV remote instead of two, or instead of a gamepad. It's also that most people don't even know about TV boxes.

IDK personally I think TV boxes are very useful in the context of non-smart TVs, or TVs that are very outdated (e.g. early smart TVs from a few years ago that have very old Android versions).
On the other hand, I kind of dislike TV Boxes because they use Android, and I find it to be a terrible and very buggy TV OS. (However they do have a lot more apps than others)

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Also, for example, if you use the TV's YouTube, you don't have to worry about the game not supporting "alt-tabbing", as your game never really looses focus from your PC's perspective. But I don't expect this to be a real problem, since the majority of people don't play old games, and modern ones, and even many old ones, alt-tab just fine.

You don't need to convince me of the conviviality of using a SmartTV or the popularity of my idea. You wanted to know why people are asking for such features on SteamOS, I provided you with one exemple. It would probably be a lot more secure on SteamOS than any unmaintained SmartTV, like it or not. There are many other reasons to ask for these features too. Why flat out deny them when you may get the same features out of an Xbox one or PS4?

We have to keep in mind that SteamOS is not a desktop OS, it's targeted for consoles devices/uses. For my part, it should be minimally on par, feature wise, to any other consoles on the market which it strives to compete with.

Edit: Really amusing that this news gets out today...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/03/26/plasma-bigscreen-is-a-new-smart-tv-experience-powered-by-raspberry-pi-4-and-kde/#27fc39433465

Personnally I would be willing to try this on my computer, along with Steam.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
25 March 2020 at 7:01 pm UTC Likes: 2

Hori
AllocHaving a full-featured open source "console" desktop from Steam would be cool imo. So not only Steam's BPM but something that resembles consoles more. Supporting streaming services in the interface (Amazon, Netflix, Spotify etc ...), playing videos from the local network, maybe support for Plex. So that you could really use that thing as a TV box and not have to hop around different interfaces for everything but games. Maybe they'll get there ...

Either way I wouldn't care about the underlying distribution ... the SteamOS thing (for me) should just work as-is, I wouldn't use that for desktops anyway.

I never understand why people want Netflix and other apps like that in Steam / consoles... don't their TVs already have those apps? Why would you fire up your pc/console just to watch a movie when you can do it straight from the TV, using the TV remote instead of a gamepad?

The thing is, many Smart-TVs are highly insecure with far and few between security updates, if ever. For this reason, I avoid using them, as much as possible, and replace the "smart" part by a TV-Box that gets maintained regularly.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
25 March 2020 at 3:43 pm UTC Likes: 1

dubigrasu
Mohandevir
dubigrasuThey also said about future SteamOS being possibly image-based
That's exactly GamerOS' model.
Indeed, and for those missing on SteamOS, it is a good alternative.
I also like what its dev said a couple of times about GamerOS (probably not an exact quote, but close):
"If you'll ever have to use the mouse and keyboard on GamerOS, then I failed in my mission"

For mouse and keyboard warriors out there, that doesn't mean you can't use them on GamerOS, but just that it strives to provide a flawless console-like experience.

It might just be a foolish and uneducated tought of my own, but at some point, I began to think/hope that Valve would/could make GamerOS it's own, just like they did with DXVK, and work with Alkazar for the maintenance/development of the thing. Imo, GamerOS is probably the closest thing to what SteamOS strives to be.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
25 March 2020 at 3:26 pm UTC

dubigrasuWell, they did said at one point that Debian tools gave them too much headache, so they might search for something else.
(that's how I remember it, so don't quote me on that)

P-L Griffais effectively said something along those lines; I remember reading the same too.

dubigrasuThey also said about future SteamOS being possibly image-based
That's exactly GamerOS' model.

Seems Valve do intend to go back to SteamOS at some point
25 March 2020 at 2:51 pm UTC Likes: 1

scratchi
TimeFreezeWhats all that talk about Debian vs Arch? We all know Valve will base the next SteamOS on Gentoo

Agreed

ChromeOS uses Gentoo, so maybe Valve is looking at a similar approach (Steam Cloud and all).

Which comes to this... Again:

https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-is-coming-to-googles-chrome-os/

Why not?!

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