They keep on listening to the wrong people. The Steam Deck's success is a proof of that. Handheld gaming is not the same as pure PC gaming. What they are now offering is a degraded user experience on an under powered hardware.
Oh well, shame on them.

For my part, the Steam Deck is the only true PC handheld. All others are badly executed and pale imitations. Probably the 3millions+ who bought the Steam Deck and stuck with SteamOS are thinking the same.

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I don't know if it's linked to this update, but since yesterday, Witcher 3 keeps on crashing in the glossary menu. No matter what I do, I get a hard freeze. Tried on my Steam Deck and my computer with Holoiso. Tried deleting the proton files. Tried validating game files. Switched to proton experimental & Hotfix. Hard freeze every time.

Edit: DX12 issue. At least, the DX11 version runs fine.

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Thank you, but no thank you.

I have no trust in EA or Ubisoft. It all comes down to this.

I much prefer to buy my games on Steam and still be able to play them tens of years later. I Never lost access to a game on Steam yet, even if it is not available for purchase anymore (one such example is Dirt Showdown).

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Quoting: MohandevirPesonnally, I prefer Holoiso. I can use it exactly like SteamOS, on my PC. Emudeck works the same & the app store is the same. Quite similar in behavior. That may be the reason. They might have decided this, because they could not get official SteamOS from Valve, yet. Just my two cents.

Agree that a SteamDeck like experience is preferable, but I see HoloIso itself as a problematic choice. In my search for a SteamOS-like experience HoloIso was indeed the closest one, but was also the most problematic.

On that, I think you are right. They must have found a way to solve these problems internally, like I did with the updates bug, but it's a straighter way to upgrade to the official SteamOS when it's available (end user wise), if that's what they are planning to do.

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: CatKillerHands up: I didn't think that they'd be able to match the price of the Deck, but they have. They must've managed to get some sweet prices on components.

4000 series apu. Old tech? Could it be a rebranding of an older model's internals leftovers that they are trying to get rid off?

If so smart move, but I'm not interrested.

Renoir is the same Zen 2 as the Van Gogh in the Deck; the Deck just uses RDNA 2 for the GPU rather than the Vega in the mainstream chips.

But, yes, stock clearance would have helped with the pricing.

My reasoning is not specifically linked to the chipset though. I'm not completely sure, but I think that you may find previous Ayaneo models with the same apus. Just by memory, don't take it for granted.

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Quoting: dubigrasuWorried about the Holoiso thing. Wonder why they haven't went with something more say, reputable and actively developed, like ChimeraOS.
If I'm not remembering wrong, they were the first to sent an AYANEO to ChimeraOS team (even before Valve sent a SteamDeck), so they know about it and there's a resemblance of collaboration. Could be because of ChimeraOS's choice of using Gnome instead of KDE? (and wanting for their device to be more SteamDeck like?)

Pesonnally, I prefer Holoiso. I can use it exactly like SteamOS, on my PC. Emudeck works the same & the app store is the same. Quite similar in behavior. That may be the reason. They might have decided this, because they could not get official SteamOS from Valve, yet. Just my two cents.

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Quoting: CatKillerHands up: I didn't think that they'd be able to match the price of the Deck, but they have. They must've managed to get some sweet prices on components.

4000 series apu. Old tech? Could it be a rebranding of an older model's internals leftovers that they are trying to get rid off?

If so smart move, but I'm not interrested.

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Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderKind of spooky..... We were just talking about something like this the other day........

Now let's see how much else of what we discussed shows up here. :grin:

Quoting: MohandevirLow cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

The high-end SteamOS handheld is the Steam Deck. Really, though, this makes perfect sense, but only assuming it's as low-cost as the literature so far implies. :smile:

The "Blue Ocean Strategy" has a term for this, and it's how all market disruption starts: "Crappy products for crappy customers.". That's not crappy as in low-quality, but rather "crappy" as in the big players in the market rejected them and refuse to cater to them even though there's a ready-made market just waiting to hand over their money (the fact that Linux gaming recently overtook Mac gaming, but we're still seeing companies refusing to support Linux whilst making large concessions for MacOS also plays into this).

The lack of certain features isn't a problem, either, for that reason - in fact, some more "Lite" options are likely to help adoption (as well as hopefully cover regions where the Steam Deck is not yet available).

That's one way to see it, I get your point, but what I meant its that I was expecting something in the performance range of the Ally, Legion Go or Claw, with SteamOS. Probably easier to justify the cost of such a device; No need to compete with the Steam Deck, in the low price range and might sell more than the 3 others because of the diffrent offering/better experience. It would have picked my interrest, at least. Just my two cents.

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Low cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: MohandevirDo we have any sales figures for these Windows handheld? Judging by the Steam hardware survey, they may be cannibilizing one another for a small fraction of the handheld market, leaving the Steam Deck untouched with the vast majority of that market. Not sure it would make sense to Microsoft to invest in a custom handheld os, if that's the case.

The estimates I've seen are that the Deck has sold its "multiple millions" and the Ally has sold ~500k - but they might have had 499,999 returns. None of these other devices have enough users to show up in the Steam Hardware Survey, but the Deck does.

The value to Microsoft isn't in hardware sales (just like it isn't for Valve); it's to say "Windows is a gaming OS, honest!" Same as for the DirectX-box.

No doubt, but with minimal investment up to this point. I don't know if they intend to change strategy, but hardware sales doesn't seem to be a reason to do so, yet.

Like you said, Xbox handheld make more sense. That's where they would probably invest, imo too.

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