Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: MohandevirSorry for my ignorance, but could Valve push the "AC kernel module" with the Steam Linux client installation?

That could make it available on any Linux installation (not just SteamOS)... No?

I don't think they want / can build the steam client with third party software, and in this case you're talking about pushing third party AC to users who won't play those games too.

Anti Cheater software must be always bound only to the games using it, even VAC (Valve's Anti Cheat) only works for games using it, despite being from the same company of steam.

Ok. If I get it right, the module could be installed with the Steam runtime(?) for the specific game? I mean included into the game's specific "container system" that Valve is starting to implement?

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: BielFPsI am really skeptical about this situation improving so much with steam deck release

Same here, but Valve must have some substancial breakthrough that they didn't share, if they made such a bold claim. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense...

They simply have their money and their stats. The top 100 games will run. That probably already covers 99% of active players. The Deck has a TPM. With this and money you can implement any AC.

They can easily register their TPMs with EAC and others. The AC then comes as a signed and closed kernel module for SteamOS. Problem solved.

Proton is only the open source part of the system. With the Steam Deck, a lot of software will be released that we haven't even seen yet. Valve has already pointed this out.

Sorry for my ignorance, but could Valve push the "AC kernel module" with the Steam Linux client installation?

That could make it available on any Linux installation (not just SteamOS)... No?

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Quoting: BielFPsValve reputation won't be affected outside the "hardware selling" part maybe

Yeah... I should have been clearer. That's what I was referring to. It could impact all of their other hardware projects, if they don't deliver or don't support the Steam Deck adquately. The Steam Link, Steam Controller and Steam Machines are already a sore spot for many Valve critics (even if debatable in some cases)... I don't think Valve wants to add the Steam Deck to that list.

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Quoting: BielFPs

Quoting: MohandevirSame here, but Valve must have some substancial breakthrough that they didn't share, if they made such a bold claim. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense...

All I know is: If this statement is just PR then SteamOS is over, because a lot of people already think that this is just steam machines all over again, and I'm worry that if Steam deck fails, then it'll have a huge negative impact in the progress of games running on linux.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to wait 10 more years to see some meaningful progress in that part.

Not even counting on the reputation of Valve that will suffer as much, if they don't deliver. That's why I can't believe that there is no backing to that statement.

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Quoting: BielFPsI am really skeptical about this situation improving so much with steam deck release

Same here, but Valve must have some substancial breakthrough that they didn't share, if they made such a bold claim. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense...

#fingerscrossed

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Quoting: sanLet's stick to the facts as Valve presented them.

Quoting: Liam DaweWell, the facts are we know exactly what Proton doesn't work with already, as said in the article, which Valve themselves state in the FAQ which is also linked.

But, what is clear, in the Steamwork video, is that Valve is working with a more advanced version of Proton that is not published yet. So, the picture we have, at this moment, is outdated to judge if all games will run on SteamOS. I think, as of today, that we have no reliable clue on the subject. Does it means that it's wrong to assume that it won't run all games? We should have a better idea by december.

Edit: Same idea, but reformulated the last phrase.

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceValve over promised here or used terrible wording. This is going to explode in their faces. As I have said before, all it will take for them to be wrong is for one single game out of 10000+ to not work and then they become liars and have to talk about how they were misunderstood and then they look like con men.

It should have been clearer, from the start, that it requires a Windows installation to run all games. What I want to know, when I buy a new product, is what to expect from an ootb experience. So, it seems that we haven't heard about that yet, which is pretty weird to me.

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So, the major breakthrough will be EAC and BattlEye support, if it ever comes out ahead of launch...

Valve's curated list better be up to date and populated with all the compatible games available because this is what's going to make it or break it. Protondb is not the way forward for Windows users that are just waiting on a misstep to strip SteamOS out of the device.

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Quoting: bepopIt's not.

What makes you think so? Imo, the Steam Deck is no proof that the patent is not blocking a Steam Controller V2. The Steam Deck is a portable console, not a controller (the patent specifies "standard controller with back buttons").

Quoting: bepopI wish for Steam Controller v2 as well.

Exactly my stance. Imo, the best controller I ever used and I still have a computer that I game on.

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I just wish that this lawsuit is what's holding back Valve from releasing a Steam Controller V2.

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