Waiting a year is not a bad idea either... It's well known that the early adopters may be considered "beta testers". Better wait for a fully patched GotY edition. :grin:

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I don't know if this could come into play, at some point:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/16/22179242/google-neverware-chromebook-laptops-chrome-os-software [External Link]

If it becomes possible to install ChromeOS on any x86 laptop... Maybe? Not?

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: MohandevirMaybe... But with some hindsight, I like too much Linux to give up... I really feel torn atm. Thinking about it, I'd like to switch to an AMD GPU because I'm suspecting that part of my problem is with my GTX 1660 Super that got weird issues on Linux only (heating and noise), but it's just impossible, atm. Add to this all these Proton issues that I have... Oh well, I might temporarily "give my underwear color" to Microsoft while I have to use that GPU, but I'll probably be back when I have the chance of putting my hands on a RX6600xt... Somewhere in 2022, maybe?

I get that i use Linux mainly for the customiseable elements but i get where you are coming from but i ve been here long enough to remember old linux gaming when the best game was Wolf Enemy territory. Oh god yeah hardware at any level is crazy price wise now.

For my part, it all began with original EverQuest and Lord of the Rings Online through Wine... Circa 2009 on my ATI Radeon HD 4670, 512mb VRAM, if I remember correctly. Lol!

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: MohandevirOn the other hand, I start the same games on Stadia and it just works: No tweaks, no hassle, just click & play.

For a newcomer, I'm affraid that all these trial and error possibilities are just going to be too much hassle to make Linux attractive.

It's the first time since 2012 that I really think about reinstalling Windows to play games, even if I hate this OS with a passion. I'm just getting bored of dealing with all these "shortcomings" and uncertainties.

Oh well, sorry for this rant. I miss the old days when all we had was Wine... At least we knew exactly what to expect.

Well proton is wine just now it has enhanced features to make compatibility better. If you need to go back to windows you do you but it sounds like a console is what your after just boot up play no need to play with settings etc or just stick with stadia if you have the connection to make it work for you.

Maybe... But with some hindsight, I like too much Linux to give up... I really feel torn atm. Thinking about it, I'd like to switch to an AMD GPU because I'm suspecting that part of my problem is with my GTX 1660 Super that got weird issues on Linux only (heating and noise), but it's just impossible, atm. Add to this all these Proton issues that I have... Oh well, I might temporarily "give my underwear color" to Microsoft while I have to use that GPU, but I'll probably be back when I have the chance of putting my hands on a RX6600xt... Somewhere in 2022, maybe?

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Quoting: aokamiProtonDB is by far the most useful tool around.
This basically tells me which game is a go/no go before I actually buy it. Keep in mind it's actually crowd-sourced, meaning people like you and me, tech savy or not, new to Linux or not are contributing so we can all benefit from it.

By switching to Linux you should have been warned it wasn't an easy way, i.e games are not made for us and it's a miracle already we get them working.
So instead of whining reports are misleading, here's how you use ProtonDB:
1) Check recent reports, wine evolves constantly and given its purpose and wide application range, there will always be regressions;
2) Check for positive reports with the hardware as you have, sometimes just having a given model of GPU or whatev doesn't help
3) Match the proton version of the positive report matching your hardware, as I mentioned sometimes we have new features and smoother support, sometimes we get regressions.

This works 90% of the time.
For the other 10%, try proton experimental branch, try proton tricks, try eggroll version.
It's just a bunch of clicks and you don't even have to get your hands dirty.

I'd like to mention additional details, if eggroll works better and "Valve doesn't seem to care putting as many useful fixes" it's because eggroll embeds copied windows DLL and stuff that would infringe on the Proton licence, eggroll build faces cease and desist anytime from now but hopefully we're such a small market, corpo sharks don't seem to care about just yet.

Another thing, "Valve" needs to sort their shit for Linux".
No, Valve developers actively working on Linux are just a very few, it's definitely not the company as a whole, just check the announcements and commits, these are always the same 4 or 5 people top, and they're already making wonders given how few they actually are.
They don't freakin have time to sort and curate your steam library as you wrongfully setup your distro.

Finally, icing on the cake, just stop whining already and come help, gets your hands dirty, that's the spirit around here. You can't run the game even if it says "Platinum" ? When you made sure you tried everything, congrats you found a regression, at least properly log a bug with the debug logs provided in hope someone fixes it, (that a lot to ask but why not even try to fix it yourself?).
Instead of threatening going back to windows like a child, you won't be missed.

At least show some respect the work of the community who worked their asses off for this unique alternative to actually happen.
Rant off.

Lots of assumption in that comment... Wow! Think I never tried any of your solutions? I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600 with a GTX 1660... On a brand new stock Pop_OS install... Are these Alien parts?

Nevermind, sorry that I hurt your feelings asking for a better tool than ProtonDB. It's just a tendency that I witnessed lately... ProtonDB is getting less and less reliable by the day, like it or not.

It must be me, then... You are right, I'm just a whining child. I'd better be off on Windows, or better, Stadia then.

I must be getting old.. I got less time and patience for that kind of stuff...

I won't comment anymore on the subject.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: sbolokanovLinux is an OS made for people who want power. If one doesn't want power, one shouldn't be playing with it.

This piece got me thinking... Why is Valve still supporting Linux, at this point, if it all comes to this?

Because their bribery deal with Microsoft must be continually renewed, and the threat of Linux must remain to keep the monopoly stronghold money flowing.

I'm sure I must have known something about this, but I've lost track. What deal?

I think he is referring to Linux being a leverage to prevent Microsoft from locking Windows to the Windows store only, like they wanted to do with Win8, back then.

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Quoting: undeadbydawn

Quoting: MohandevirIs it just me? I feel like Steam's Linux gaming is gradually falling into a chaotic mess. Linux native ports that suddenly stop being supported... Native ports that run worse than the windows version run through proton... Windows games run only through proton... I have 2 exemples of games that got a gold rating on protondb, but just won't run adequately: Rage 2 that just keeps on crashing every 5 mins, no matter the tweaks I try and Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order, that becomes a slide show when you hit the start button... Why gold?! These 2 should get a silver rating max, imo...

I'm beginning to doubt all I read about Linux games that are supposedly running like champs. I don't know what to believe anymore. It's just getting more confusing than anything else.

I bought the Resident Evil remake yesterday, which has Platinum rating on ProtonDB

The page is full of people reporting perfect compatibility IF you install windows binaries with Winetricks and Protontricks, which may require 10+ permission changes.

That, to me, is not Platinum. It's Silver at best. As it was, the fixes completely failed and I got a refund. ProtonDB is a disaster area and needs fixing *incredibly badly*

That's exactly why I say that Valve must clean the mess that it (Protondb) became. It's their tech... It should be their support (but it doesn't mean excluding the help of the community). Imo, there should be a Protondb similar tool that is maintained by Valve and the whitelist should be expanded because there is a lot of games that are really at Platinum level. It's just that at this time, Protondb is poluted by way too much "false positives" and that makes it completely unreliable.

Quoting: sbolokanovBy the way, Proton is not an official flag for supporting titles on Linux. It's just that tool that gives users the option to play games via WINE with a single click (or at least that's what they claim).

You seem to forget about Steam's Whitelist which is Windows games officially supported on Linux. These games are supported ootb without having to click the "Proton support on all Windows titles".

https://steamdb.info/app/891390/ [External Link]

Just remembered... Liam? How is going your tests on GoL's take for a Proton compatibility list?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: sbolokanovLinux is an OS made for people who want power. If one doesn't want power, one shouldn't be playing with it.

This piece got me thinking... Why is Valve still supporting Linux, at this point, if it all comes to this?

Because their bribery deal with Microsoft must be continually renewed, and the threat of Linux must remain to keep the monopoly stronghold money flowing.

Forgot about that part... Thanks for the reminder... It explains Much.

It would hurt much less if I didn't had a 350+ Steam game library that I paid for, in the vast majority, because of the Linux support that came with it.

Think I'll wait for Valve to clean that mess (ProtonDB) in some way, before buying a new game on Steam. If it doesn't happen, Stadia is doing the job, for the moment. Anyway, buying computer parts is nothing short of a miracle, atm... Another argument in favor of Stadia.

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Quoting: sbolokanovLinux is an OS made for people who want power. If one doesn't want power, one shouldn't be playing with it.

This piece got me thinking... Why is Valve still supporting Linux, at this point, if it all comes to this?

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Is it just me? I feel like Steam's Linux gaming is gradually falling into a chaotic mess. Linux native ports that suddenly stop being supported... Native ports that run worse than the windows version run through proton... Windows games run only through proton... I have 2 exemples of games that got a gold rating on protondb, but just won't run adequately: Rage 2 that just keeps on crashing every 5 mins, no matter the tweaks I try and Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order, that becomes a slide show when you hit the start button... Why gold?! These 2 should get a silver rating max, imo...

I'm beginning to doubt all I read about Linux games that are supposedly running like champs. I don't know what to believe anymore. It's just getting more confusing than anything else.

On the other hand, I start the same games on Stadia and it just works: No tweaks, no hassle, just click & play.

For a newcomer, I'm affraid that all these trial and error possibilities are just going to be too much hassle to make Linux attractive.

I hope Valve is quickly coming up with something more official and broadly supported, for Proton; Steam's actual whitelist is not a selling point either, atm.

It's the first time since 2012 that I really think about reinstalling Windows to play games, even if I hate this OS with a passion. I'm just getting bored of dealing with all these "shortcomings" and uncertainties.

Oh well, sorry for this rant. I miss the old days when all we had was Wine... At least we knew exactly what to expect.

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