Quoting: Alm888I tried to search for Linux version of "Rise of the Tomb Raider" and was successful (no, I did not download and can not say whether that copy works or not).

We Linux users are better than those windows folks:)
Keep on knocking and something WILL happen.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoe2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

The last sentence does not sound really good.

To be honest. I don't think that most games from GOG are allowed to be played at the "same time" with only "one purchase".
Most people don't read EULAs.

I don't see anything about this specific point in GOG's agreement. And I said, most games don't make additions to it. Do you have an example of such game that adds such condition?

WAIT!!!
I have missread 2.2.

2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

IT MEANS that GOGs Agreement counts MORE than the publishers.
This is definitely a big PLUS for GOG.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoeMaybe this is the reason why Feral don't like to put their games on GOG.

If anyone wants to ignore that limitation, they can access pirated games anyway, so how exactly would it even prevent family sharing to begin with? It's same as with other not authorized sharing. So it's not an argument to use DRM.

I'am currently reading GOGs User Agreement and found...

2.2 When you buy or install GOG games, you might have to agree to additional contract terms with the developer/publisher of the game (e.g. they might ask you to agree to a game specific End User Licence Agreement). If there is any inconsistency or dispute between those ‘EULAs’ and this Agreement, then this Agreement wins.

The last sentence does not sound really good.

To be honest. I don't think that most games from GOG are allowed to be played at the "same time" with only "one purchase".
Most people don't read EULAs.

If this is true than many GOG users might violate the publishers EULA without knowing it.
I mean...
GOG has no DRM which controls "multiple" access to "one purchase" like Steam with "Steam Family Sharing".
It is under the users control to check if your sun, daughter, whoever is playing a game you are currently playing yourself.

From my point of view DRM is not always bad.
For "Steam Family Sharing" this means that it protects the users from violating the publishers EULA.

Beside this Shmerl, I really like your attitude. Keep on knocking for your rights even if I don't share all your opinions.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoeFrom the view of a publisher it would be not clever to release a game DRM-free if it means that "one purchase" can be used at the "same time" by a multitudinous family.
This would mean that they lose a lot of money.

Smart or not smart, they are already doing it and releasing DRM-free. I doubt family is a major consideration for them. Even DRMed stores can allow family sharing (including Steam).

As GOG link above said, games can have additional agreements, but many use base agreement with GOG. In my experience, such additional agreements aren't common.

This is not true for Steam.
Steam has "Steam Family Sharing"...
It allows you to share your games library with 10 devices inhouse but only one device can play a game when you only have "one purchase" for it.
Read here...
https://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing [External Link]

Maybe this is the reason why Feral don't like to put their games on GOG.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoeOK, but are you allowed to use all these installations at the "same time"? This decision can only be made by the publisher and not GOG I think.

Normal publishers care about you not copying this to other people for instance, not about how you use it yourself. But they aren't putting any technical methods to restrict you. GOG can't force publishers of course, they need to agree to release with some terms first.

From the view of a publisher it would be not clever to release a game DRM-free if it means that "one purchase" can be used at the "same time" by a multitudinous family.
This would mean that they lose a lot of money.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoeOK. So the EULA describes how many installations (maybe also backups) you are allowed to do inhouse and how many installations you can use at the "same time", right?

No, the EULA doesn't restrict how many installations or backups you are allowed to make, as long as it's for your use. It's the point of DRM-free.

OK, but are you allowed to use all these installations at the "same time"? This decision can only be made by the publisher and not GOG I think.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: johndoeMay I ask you if GOG games come with an EULA?

There is user agreement with GOG, and then game can potentially provide its own agreement with the user.

Thank you. Please don't think I want to nail you down or something.

OK. So the EULA describes how many installations (maybe also backups) you are allowed to do inhouse and how many installations you can use at the "same time", right?

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@Shmerl

You seem to know a lot about DRM and GOG. May I ask you if GOG games come with an EULA?

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Quoting: HamishWhat a horrifyingly narrow world you must live in if the only games you feel comfortable playing are new. I don't know about you, but I fully intend to still be playing the games I buy today for at least as far into the future as the childhood favourites I still find myself coming back to year after year. That is why anything that is specifically designed to block me from doing so is completely unacceptable to me.

Technical challenges can be overcome. DRM legally cannot.

No, you misunderstood me. The most important word in my phrase is MORE.

"It makes MORE sense to play games when they are new and active." does not mean that I don't play old games or that I'm not comfortable with them.
I earn my money with Linux.

WAITING for a game that might never release DRM-FREE but is available for my beloved OS does also make not MUCH sense to ME.

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Quoting: ShmerlLinux is FOSS, so in the worst case you can take older distros and run them in virtual machine or container for this purpose.

I already mentioned this, read my post.

Quoting: ShmerlTell it to ScummVM or DosBox developers, and they'll have a laugh.

I use ScummVM and DosBox by myself and played many Lucas and Westwood games with it. My favourite ones are Kyrandia and Lands of Lore.
These guys are great and I appreciate their work.
But this does not change the fact that these games have reached EOL.
Without these tools you are not able to play THESE games anymore.
Please do not twist my words. Using ScummVM, DosBox, VM, Container or any third party installer does not change that.

By the way, more interesting would be to know if GOG does pay money to ScummVM and DosBOX developers for their effort.

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