Quoting: bekoI'm not really into the loop but even I picked up on this: A shiton of YTbers… content creators… influencers, that never touched Linux before, started show-casing Linux. Think this starts to show.

Interesting. I had no idea.

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Legitimacy sounds interesting.

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Quoting: s01itudeWithout going into too many details my main suspicion here is that Nintendo obtained logs from discord that exposed the development team of some illegal activities

This is what I suspect too, and it make the entire thing make more sense. If it was just them taking down Yuzu I wouldn't think this, but for them to pay that amount of money without fighting is a bit suspicious.

I don't think so. I mean, it's not impossible, it's not even implausible exactly. I just don't think this result is evidence of such a thing.

So first, $2.4 million sounds like a lot, but it sounds a lot smaller once you start thinking about the bucks needed to defend a lawsuit against the likes of Nintendo. And second, they're not going to pay $2.4 million. Because, the company is liable not the individuals, the company no longer has a reason to exist, and the company almost certainly does not have $2.4 million on hand. It's going to declare bankruptcy and Nintendo will get some insignificant sum of money, but Nintendo will not care because the point of the exercise was not money but a headline and the people apologizing abjectly. So the $2.4 million is a fiction to impress people like us if we don't think about it too hard.

Quoting: legluondunetIf Yuzu was able to pay $2.4 million, is it because their Patreon brought in that much?

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Quoting: Luke_NukemHOW? With what?

Probably from the millions they hoovered up from Patreon!

Again, they're not going to pay $2.4 million. Just because there's an announcement doesn't mean anyone involved expects it to happen.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI would recommend that the next people who take the code and continue developing it under a different name, host it in some place like the EU and have some kind of region lock where they don't allow downloads from places with DMCA-type anti-digital-lock-tampering laws. Of course, since the code is open and all some people will then mirror it in other places and it will become available around the world--but that will not be the core project's fault, as they will be taking due measures to prevent it.

EU is a terrible idea as it is under US jurisdiction being US vassal states. The EU has gone after piracy before (Sweden, Italy, Germany). Russia/Belarus/China are much better about it, especially now

But this isn't about piracy. Oh, sure, they can say they were "enabling" piracy, but the key issue is that they allegedly enabled the piracy by enabling tampering with a "digital lock" (encryption, DRM et cetera). Such tampering is forbidden under the DMCA, and there are similar provisions in other countries. But it's entirely legal in the EU, is if anything a consumer right.

And while the EU is definitely under the US thumb in terms of geopolitics, their regimes in terms of laws around computing and telecommunications are really quite different, whether it's about privacy, competition or "intellectual property", and the EU shows no signs of interest in harmonizing their approach with the US one.

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Quoting: sarmadNice spike at the end.

It totally is. If we were to cherry-pick our data to just the last few points, we could project world domination in a few years! :grin:

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Quoting: cozThere's no way such a quick agreement would happen unless the defendants knew they were going to be declared guilty.

Ah, no. That is absolutely not the case. As I noted above, in a case like this it doesn't really matter if you would win the case in the courts (given an adequate supply of lawyers to make the playing field even-ish). The point is, it would cost multiple millions to defend such a case, more money than a small company has (and, far more than they settled for). It is very likely they wouldn't have had the dough to make it to the finish line. Even if they did, and won, their chances of getting their legal costs awarded are probably not great, so even a win would still leave them far more broke than from just rolling over.

So neither the decision to declare a loss nor the groveling statement that they were oh, so wrong (which was certainly a condition of the settlement) says anything at all about the merits of Nintendo's lawsuit.

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I think law courts should be public. There should be a fee for using them, which should be proportional to your income or net worth or for corporations, "market capitalization" or whatever, and then both sides get government-appointed lawyers; you're not allowed to use your own. No massive batteries of high-priced lawyers squaring off against some poor schmuck with the one threadbare lawyer they can afford. No running people out of business by forcing them to eat huge legal fees.

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Well, this was probably the smart choice on the Yuzu people's part. They grovel a bit, say they (or rather, the company being sued) will pay $2.4 million, Nintendo gets a headline, the company declares bankruptcy and pays whatever loose change it has on hand, the actual people move on. Otherwise, they would have had to spend more than that in court and go under the hard way after months or years of struggle and heartache. Sure, in theory they could have fought in court and "won", but first, they almost certainly don't have the money to make it all the way through that kind of trial, and second, even if they "won" that probably wouldn't mean they'd get anything out of it and they'd still be down millions in legal fees.

I would recommend that the next people who take the code and continue developing it under a different name, host it in some place like the EU and have some kind of region lock where they don't allow downloads from places with DMCA-type anti-digital-lock-tampering laws. Of course, since the code is open and all some people will then mirror it in other places and it will become available around the world--but that will not be the core project's fault, as they will be taking due measures to prevent it.

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Quoting: Cerberon

Quoting: GuestIdk why emulator devs are dumb enough to do this kinda stuff in the West. Its the same with pirate sites/groups - if you wanna do this do it in a place where US jurisdiction can't reach you. Like Russia, Belarus or China. If Yuzu was in Russia/Belarus/China it would be untouchable.

If they hadn't set up as an actual company they would have been a lot safer also, it's a lot harder to sue 5-10 anonymous guys contributing to a git repo.
A company makes you liable.

Well, sort of. It makes the company liable. You only lose whatever you put into the company by buying stock or whatever, you don't lose anything in your own bank account or your house. That's Limited Liability. Whereas if it was just a few people independently doing stuff, and Nintendo sued them as individuals, they could in fact lose everything they had and, in the US where personal bankruptcy is fairly difficult, potentially end up with garnished wages for life or something.
So while I do think doing it somewhere other than the US would have been a much better idea, setting up a company was probably the best plan. It's like having a cardboard replica for the sniper to shoot instead of you. :grin:

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Quoting: Soulprayer4% of 34mio are 1,34mio including Steam Deck so approx 700k players with Linux desktop :D

I'm not sure that really works--it's not a Steam statistic, it's a general use statistic. Or, well, it's a browsing-the-web statistic.

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