Quoting: elmapuli dont think google will do anything that help their competitors too much , unlike valve who depend on our help to survive and grow this market, google is big enough to try to enter the gaming market with their own money, without much help from volunteers in an "winner takes it all" model.

In theory, anyhow. In practice they might try, but they're too cheap to back their play hard enough to win. :grin:

But yeah, they could still imagine doing it and treat people as competitors even though in the real world they will never seriously compete with them . . .

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Nocifer

Quoting: Guestto Capcom this isn't GNU/Linux, this is something closer to Just Another Console(tm).

And that's more than fine for the time being. Every journey begins with a first step, does it not? At this point all we really want and all we can really ask for is that games can run in an easy and competitive (performance-wise) manner on Linux, so that PC users aren't forced to use Windows if they want to also play games; and the Steam Deck's success will facilitate that. If and when this success becomes a reality, then we can start asking for more.

Sames arguments were made for Stadia too.

The Deck might differ if people are convinced to use the desktop mode, but phones have had exactly that and it's changed nothing. There's just no incentive that I can see.
Purely guesswork on all our parts of course, but I'm going with it won't change anything on the desktop.

How will this not change anything on the desktop? Will it bring more users to use Desktop Linux? Probably not. Will it bring more games that are playable on Desktop Linux? 100% it will, as it's using the exact same software on the Deck. That's where Stadia was garbage, it's all hidden on Google's servers, never to be seen by us 'normies'.

Google in general seem to be very good at making use of Linux in ways that you would think would be good for Linux more generally, but managing to avoid letting that happen. I don't know if they have some reason to want to do that or if it's just by accident, but so far they've been pretty consistent about it.

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Quoting: dubigrasu^ :)
Well, they didn't died right away, was just that the world was no longer suited for them. There are theories that posit that they were already in the extinction phase long before the asteroid struck, event which only concluded their extinction.
I bet though that they still had some gaming time left.

Heh.
I don't think those are . . . mainstream hypotheses. Maybe a bit of mammal-centric wishful thinking. I mean, at the time all the mammal side had was a few nocturnal proto-rodents*. Not exactly a basis for world domination when the dinosaur side had most of the niches all the way from small to T-Rex.

*Which is why birds' eyes are better than ours--we're all descended from nocturnal critters, had to reinvent decent vision from scratch.

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Quoting: dubigrasuNot anytime soon, no.
But I think that unless there's a major shift in the way of how society and technology are advancing, eventually everything will move to the cloud, in some centralized form whether we like it or not.

Or maybe it will be something entirely new, who knows, we always like to predict the future based on on what we know about the present, and when the future comes, it comes in unexpected forms.

In any case, I don't think gaming as it stands today with local collections and expensive/bulky personal devices will survive for long. We are the last dinosaurs and we don't realize it yet.

Eh. If an asteroid hadn't hit the planet, the dinosaurs would probably still be out-competing us mammals.

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Quoting: tonRCanonical? Listen to feedback?

"hahahaha. Oh, wait. You're serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 [External Link]

Let's just say that Canonical has very selective hearing. They'll ask for feedback and then ignore the parts they don't like.

Well . . . don't we all?

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Anti- Black Friday. So would that make it a Red Monday sale?

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Quoting: MohandevirAnd for many newcomers that have no knowledge of Linux, we need a "dumbed down" distribution. SteamOS will probably be exactly that.

I actually doubt that. SteamOS seems likely to be a bit too specialized to make a good "dumbed down" general use desktop. Great for running games, not so great for editing photos or documents or whatever.

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Quoting: KohlyKohl

Quoting: GuestIt's amazing how when a company senses a marketing opportunity like this suddenly the impossible can happen.

Releasing on GNU/Linux can't be done!
Oh, Stadia appears? Sure, not a problem.
Steam Deck appears? Sure, not a problem (especially when someone else does the work).

But, to be clear, I see this as the same case with Stadia. Capcom might well support (or not) the Deck officially (and if they're putting it on their official youtube channel, they support it now!) but it's only the Deck they support. It's not GNU/Linux desktop, and they aren't going to magically make native games available.

And I know that, for now, if it works on the Deck then it's likely to work elsewhere (so long as Steam is there). With Stadia though there was a community expecting more to come of it, and there wasn't. I think it's the same - the game is still a Windows title, Capcom isn't supporting GNU/Linux, they are only supporting their Windows game running on the Deck and nothing more.

Not trying to be a buzzkill; whether this is overall good or bad I won't comment on (I do have opinions there, but not writing them here at the moment). I'm just trying to get perspective on what the deal really is: to Capcom this isn't GNU/Linux, this is something closer to Just Another Console(tm).

For native Linux to take off, the number of gamers on Linux needs to go up first.

This is my point: at least to Capcom, and most companies, this isn't "Linux" (GNU/Linux or otherwise), this is Steam Deck and something entirely separate. There's no indication that users on the Deck will translate to more users on desktop, and thus more native titles. It could, but I personally highly doubt it will, and Steam isn't exactly pushing for it (they're pushing the Deck).

You have a strong point, but I am slightly more optimistic. On one hand, some, even many, studios will look at it just as you say they will. But others likely will not, they will note that the Steam Deck and the broader Linux are in some sense the same thing, one now somewhat larger market, and figure they might as well deal with the whole thing rather than arbitrarily cutting out a piece. Mind you, they'll still probably just target SteamOS and leave it to everything else to get in step with that, but that's fine. That's open source--everyone else can get in step if they want games to run well on their distro.
Beyond that, in the somewhat longer term I see this as some significant reductions in the obstacles to switching, both in actual practice and in perception. The Steam Deck is a big boost to popular perception of the Linux desktop as, first, existing at all, and second, viable. The Steam Deck being a usable thing you can play nearly all games on implies the Linux desktop also being a usable thing you can play nearly all games on. That's the basic insight behind Linus' Linux challenge thingie; if it's obvious to him, it'll be obvious to other people. And on the practical side, most of the work being done on getting stuff to Just Work for the Steam Deck translates directly to improvements in things working on Linux more generally. It's already led to both technical improvements and pain-point reductions, and it is likely to continue to do so. Whether that will actually lead directly to growth in Linux desktop adoption, no way to really know, but the fewer barriers the better.

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Quoting: ThePierrasse

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: elmapuli think this situation is... ironic to say the least...
canonical bet that linux could become mainstream, spend a lot of money on it, then they failed.
they even tried to do an partnership with valve and got ambitious with their own display server, an phone, tablet, conversible concept...
and ultimately failed, but at least they were the entry point to many in the world of linux and as result, many people build know how on ubuntu wich helped then grow in the server space (cheap laborhood)

the desktop seemed ... abandoned, a few bug fixes here and there but no major new features.

then valve strike again, an big youtuber that reache the masses start talking about linux , and they're like:
hey we're listening to yourfeedback!
i'm not saying they werent before, but they were silent at best...
its almost like they realize that things may finally get into motion now, and they may miss the boat...
anyway, i'm not mad at then, its just that... it may be to later, steamOS is arch based and pop seems to be get the public they were negleting, so lets see what happens =p

Ubuntu definitely was the first home user friendly distro out there, and they put a lot of effort into making it that way, but I think they lost their way at some point. They tried to turn into a Microsoft, and it didn't work - a little too commerical, not enough looking after their users. Trying to do their own thing rather than work with (and thereby lead) the community. Red Hat gets away with this by looking at a different market.

I wasn't a fan with the direction Ubuntu had started to take, but what kept me away the most was their insistence on Unity, and then trying to put Amazon affiliate links and data collection in by default. That's gone away now (I hope), but that it was tried at all speaks volumes of their priorities. Which is a shame, because they were well poised to become the standard distro that could have been the reference against gaming development.

Unity is still the best DE ever though. Change my mind.

The beauty of choice is that I don't need to change your mind.

I am, however, uncertain if it hasn't mind controlled you and that now I should wear special sunglasses and start chewing gum.

But then what happens if you're all out of bubblegum [External Link]?

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So technically, it's a head to head battle between your intelligent design and the computer's evolution.

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