Quoting: Cyril

Quoting: LiamSomething else worth keeping an eye on is Ozymandias, which aims to do the same thing for Pharaoh, using the base game engine from Julius and Augustus.

Oh my God, it's happening! Thanks! :woot:

Ozymandias? I dunno, that game sounds like it'll just end in despair.

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Quoting: whizseDoes it have voice recognition so I can shout OBJECTION! myself?

Actually, nevermind. It's not like lack of voice input have stopped me from shouting at the screen in every other game...

Sounds like someone needs Radio General!

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: PhiladelphusMost people aren't interested in how computers work, they just want them to work.

Exactly! And that's totally fine!
And then we're back to what was my original point, when I uttered the now evidently controversial words that I don't subscribe to the idea of "Linux for everyone". No OS is for everyone - Windows is really not for me - and I see no point in even wanting all three to be as similar as possible to "please all".

To repeat my comparison with cameras (won't blame you if you missed it in this chaos :) ): A smart phone, a pocket camera and system camera can all produce great pictures. Some are best off using their phone for their pics, others have good reasons to get a dedicated pocket camera, while others again should definitely go for the system camera. They are three different offerings with each their pros and cons. As is how I also see OsX, Windows and Linux.

See, to me that's got two problems. One is that, as Philadelphus points out, it's just fundamentally not correct. There is not anything fundamental about Linux that makes it a "system camera" that requires lots of fiddling to get good stuff out of it.

The second is that I think it's wrong to say it's OK for most people to be stuck with an operating system that has a whole lot of bad stuff built in due to their interests not being the same as the interests of the corporation peddling it to them. It's not OK. Windows is not different in being "a smart phone camera", it's different in that it is produced by a predatory company that wants to grab people's information and rope them into its ecosystem and, if it can manage to pull it off, hook them into Software as a Service schemes that can milk them of money monthly, and do anything else it can come up with to siphon money and make itself unavoidable. This should not be the only choice available for non-techy users without megabucks to spend on Apple kit (which has similar problems of its own, for that matter).
Windows delenda est.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeSorry, I know this is WAY off topic!

No doubt. For the record, though, I totally agree with you.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: The_AquabatI voted Valheim as best game of the year! sooo much fun, hope it wins.

Despite what they call it, the games that win are never very Goaty. Now Goat Simulator, that was Goaty.

I thought that GOAT meant Greatest of all time, you really think that Valheim is GOAT?? unless there is another meaning I'm unaware of.

I was thinking of GOTY, often used for Game Of The Year.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Purple Library GuyBut it's not '99 any more. If I started today, I wouldn't have had to do any of that stuff. And I wouldn't have done it, because I only did it because I had to. I wasn't on a voyage of discovery, I was just trying to un-break stuff.

But that's how you learn!!

I don't care!
You learn lots of ways. I learn many things by reading books.

Wish I could make you read the Pathfinder 2e books for me so I wouldn't have to read them myself. 😜

Sorry, filled up recently on D&D 5th edition. I was amazed . . . it's actually got less skills and day to day utility magic, you know, for doing non-kill kind of stuff, than later bits of old school AD&D 1st edition. In other ways I was surprised just how little has changed. Rules a bit more consistent, a couple of interesting new character classes and mechanics, fighters get a few tactical options, multi-classing is basically dead because it was OP as hell, some quirky flavour lost, but basically, it's still D&D.

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Quoting: The_AquabatI voted Valheim as best game of the year! sooo much fun, hope it wins.

Despite what they call it, the games that win are never very Goaty. Now Goat Simulator, that was Goaty.

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Purple Library GuyBut it's not '99 any more. If I started today, I wouldn't have had to do any of that stuff. And I wouldn't have done it, because I only did it because I had to. I wasn't on a voyage of discovery, I was just trying to un-break stuff.

But that's how you learn!!

I don't care!
You learn lots of ways. I learn many things by reading books.

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Non-Stalin options for the USSR, huh? So like, just thinking the most obvious, presumably there's a "Trotsky in charge" option of some sort?

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Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI started somewhere around the turn of the millennium--not sure which side, might have been '99 or so. My first distro was Red Hat.

Hey thanks for that rundown! And I see nothing in this story that indicates that your kind is what I had in mind when I said "not for everyone". Quite the contrary. You've had issues and overcame them. Of course, it always sucks when something breaks - and especially when you have no idea why. It's like that for everyone.

But you've overcome the obstacles and I am pretty sure you also have learnt from it. And you kept going. That's what a Linux user IS, in my book.

The only point you might disagree with me on here, is that I think it's a GOOD thing to have a system as open as Linux. I will defend the right of this OS, of all the alternatives out there, to be a bit different. To demand - even expect - something of the user. Not in regards to the amount of knowledge - but the willingness to obtain that knowledge.
Like you have, by sticking to your gun.

But it's not '99 any more. If I started today, I wouldn't have had to do any of that stuff. And I wouldn't have done it, because I only did it because I had to. I wasn't on a voyage of discovery, I was just trying to un-break stuff.

Not saying I gained zero knowledge. But on average, I'd rather have been gaining other knowledge instead. I'm an artsie--by preference, not because of aptitude. I was actually a seriously massive math whiz in my youth, without even trying; showed pretty good aptitude for programming too. But I went into English Lit and so forth because that's what I like.

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