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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: eggroleExtremism is created when there is a lack of communication

No it isn't. Different political camps never communicated much and probably never will. Extremism is created when the system as it is fails to meet the needs of large and increasing numbers of people,

For the last 10 or so years people have been saying "hey, maybe all this immigration isn't a good idea." They have made points that one might agree or disagree with, but it was their position. And that entire time the governments and the opposing parties have said to them, resoundingly, "STFU, Nazi, Racist, Bigot!" (as also seen in some post in this very thread).

Could we get real? You can say a lot about what "people" have been saying. But we are talking here about what's often called the alt-right; people like MAGA in the US, Reform in Britain, Alternativ fur Deutschland in Germany (who are actual Nazis) and so on. Those people have not been saying "hey, maybe all this immigration isn't a good idea."

They have been saying immigrants are all rapists, or terrorists, or drug dealers. That they're eating the cats. That they are shiftless unemployed living off government handouts of "our" taxpayers' money, and simultaneously stealing "our" jobs. That their religions and cultures are evil and worthless. They have been saying gays are or have a plot to undermine Western civilization and plunge the world into chaos. They have been saying teachers who treat trans and gay people decently are pedophile groomers. They have been saying natural disasters are caused by there being too many atheists, or whatever other sort of non-evangelical-christian peeves them at the moment. They have been saying that "liberals" who favour rights for immigrants, or gays, or trans, or non-whites, or lately even women, are traitors who should be jailed or executed. And leftists, like, say, me, it's way worse--they call us filth, a poison or a disease and say we should be massacred, wiped out, expunged like a stain. I was just looking at some right wing Americans' reactions to Trump starving the people of Cuba--they're freakin' jubilant, because Cubans are Communists. And the alt-right have consistently refused to ever apologize for any of the vile, libelous crap they have spewed. And of course they've shot up mosques, and synagogues, and tried to assassinate the Prime Minister of Canada, and generally done a whole lot of violence against the people they have dehumanized. It is clear from the beginnings of it with ICE in the US that they would do plenty more such violence given the chance.

All that, and you want me to talk about them as if they are reasonable people with minor differences on the subject of high levels of immigration? Fuck that. They want me dead, for one thing. That's not a very minor difference.

You may be willing to have a reasonable discussion of the roots of these people's views. But they sure aren't. And you want me to go to these people whose whole deal is hate, hostility and complete refusal to engage or compromise in any way, and talk sweet compromise with them and say their hostility is all centrists' and leftists' fault for not being nice to them. Nonsense. And I gotta ask you, do you go to the social media rabbit holes of this stuff and tell them "For 10 years, liberal people and immigrants have been saying "hey, maybe we should just treat human beings like human beings"" and ask them "say have you ever just talked to the liberals and leftists and immigrants and gays?" I'd be willing to bet that no, you don't. The compromising is only supposed to go one way. And that way is on the backs of people whose rights and lives don't in their opinion matter like a real person's.

And in point of fact, "liberals" such as the UK Labour party or the US Democrats have been compromising with these people and explaining away all the things they do and say, and adopting far too many of their ideas. Has this caused them to get less angry? No it has not. It has just encouraged them to go further. Your call for civility is in the end just a call for surrender by stages. And that might fly with liberals, but I'm not a liberal.

Anyone else who's been saying "Oh but the problem is we aren't being nice enough to the fascists" can take this as a response to them too.

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Send in the clones!

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Quoting: voxI would kindly ask to stop promoting games with "killing nazis" tagline, that's not about actual nazis and more about killing political opponents that extreme left calls nazis.

I watched the trailer. Sure looked like the main character was killing a bunch of actual cartoony Nazis. But if you see your "side" in that . . . Ehhh, tough. Meanwhile, games where the enemies are Communists are so common it's not even really remarked on.

Quoting: voxAlso I was under the impression that this site's position was somewhat apolitical.

Far as I can tell, this site's position is an insistence on common decency. It just so happens that a lot of things the modern far right like to say violate that. That's on them. But I don't see what you have to complain about here except that commenters disagree with you. That isn't a site policy. People rubbishing nonsense is not a free speech violation, it's the other people also getting to speak.

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Quoting: eggroleFurther, I am hesitant to call anyone extremist when they simply have a diffent opinion. Is it really extremist to want to stop immigration and deport some of the current immigrants? Compared to rounding them up and shooting them - an actual extremist view? You might not want that, but is wanting that (the deporting, not executing) really extreme?

[sarcasm] Well, and is rounding them up and shooting them really extreme? Compared to torturing them slowly and then eating them - an actual extremist view? [/sarcasm]
You can always pretend (X) isn't extreme if you can find a vile enough (Y) to compare it to. What's not extreme is justice and equal rights for all.

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Quoting: eggroleExtremism is created when there is a lack of communication

No it isn't. Different political camps never communicated much and probably never will. Extremism is created when the system as it is fails to meet the needs of large and increasing numbers of people, when lives become precarious and even those who are doing all right fear that this might not be a stable situation. At that point, people look for someone to blame, and there are two basic answers:

Answer 1: Blame the people in charge. This is the obvious answer since the people in charge are, well, in charge. If things are screwed up, who else would be responsible? But this gets more radical if people notice that the current situation, bad for them, is actually enriching the people at the top (as it is today). At that point you start to think they're not just getting things wrong, they're screwing you over deliberately.

Answer 2: Blame groups who have no power, but who seem different. Outgroups, aliens, people who trigger xenophobia. This is the stupid answer--like how are these scapegoats supposed to have caused any of the problems--but it is the answer that gets the propaganda funding, because the people in charge really want everyone who's upset to believe it's the fault of anyone but them. And when people are afraid and angry, blaming the outsider is a strong instinct, so it works pretty well. But it is simply wrong, not to mention evil.

(It's particularly wrong in today's world, where if there are a bunch of immigrants it is because the exact people siccing you on immigrants ruined the countries people are fleeing, whether by war or predatory trade practices or coups and destabilization. For instance, if the US and Europe hadn't deliberately broken Iraq, Libya and Syria, the mass immigration to Europe from those regions would not have happened. Anyone who doesn't want lots of immigration, the last thing they should do is vote for fascists, because they're always militarists who will create crises that cause immigration.

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Quoting: Philadelphus

Re-re-enable Bluetooth Wake for Steam Deck LCD

So…they enabled it, disabled it, re-enabled it, disabled it again, and are now re-enabling it for the second time? 🥴

Yes.
I can kind of remember the GoL articles for most of those events, so yeah, pretty sure that's exactly what happened.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyThe duration does make things interesting legally. I mean, hypothetically there would be two avenues for going after OpenTTD: Copyright and Trademark. Copyright lasts forever but it's pretty specific . . . infringement requires verbatim copying of extensive amounts of stuff; the mere fact that you called it Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe, for instance, wouldn't be a copyright infringement, so it would depend how much specifically TTD stuff was still in the game. Trademark on the other hand is short duration and requires this sort of ongoing maintenance thing. OpenTTD would surely violate any trademarks involved, but the mere fact that it has existed all this time without being bothered could quite likely invalidate the trademark if I'm not mistaken. And it might have lapsed after all this time anyway. Not that the merits matter much when someone with money takes someone without money to court.

Probably better that everyone's playing nice.

What? Copyright doesn't last forever.

Sigh. What I meant is for practical purposes forever by video game standards. Like, about three times as long as video games have existed--the very earliest possible video game would still have like 80 years or something to go. It was amazingly mild hyperbole.

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The duration does make things interesting legally. I mean, hypothetically there would be two avenues for going after OpenTTD: Copyright and Trademark. Copyright lasts forever but it's pretty specific . . . infringement requires verbatim copying of extensive amounts of stuff; the mere fact that you called it Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe, for instance, wouldn't be a copyright infringement, so it would depend how much specifically TTD stuff was still in the game. Trademark on the other hand is short duration and requires this sort of ongoing maintenance thing. OpenTTD would surely violate any trademarks involved, but the mere fact that it has existed all this time without being bothered could quite likely invalidate the trademark if I'm not mistaken. And it might have lapsed after all this time anyway. Not that the merits matter much when someone with money takes someone without money to court.

Probably better that everyone's playing nice.

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Makes me wonder . . . like, who actually chooses the "chosen one"? It always seems to be pretty vague.
(calls over barmaid)
"Matilda, could we get a couple more pints? And also, could you choose me?"
"Choose you? Told you last week I'm not interested. I think you've had enough already, dearie."

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Quoting: Linux_RocksRemember when you had to pay for Opera back in the day and it was a worthy alternative? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Remember when stupid gimmicky web browsers weren't everywhere either? Pepperidge Farm also remembers.

I'm going to be so disillusioned the day I find out that Pepperidge Farms doesn't actually remember any of the stuff.

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