Sheesh, Bjorn, you really need to pull yourself together.

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If it didn't go to plan, you can go back and try again.

So contrary to their claims there is, in fact, a plan B. :grin:

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Good for them!

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Quoting: Linas

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: rcritAnd yet still an empty desktop.

I don't know about you but the only time I ever see my desktop is when I first boot. That's a weird complaint to have.

I think that getting rid of desktop icons was one of the biggest innovations of GNOME 3. Finding stuff on the desktop is slower than any other method, be it start menus, search, or simply a file manager. To find stuff on the desktop you have to literally move whatever you are doing out of the way, and break your flow. It is only realistically useful for the first few seconds after you have logged in, and before you launched your first application that obscures the view of the desktop.

That would technically not be true if you're running multiple desktops--you could go to a fresh desktop; presto, desktop reappears. Not that I do that, it just occurs to me as a possible approach.

But certainly for what I use most, I like to put a launcher on a toolbar. The toolbar is normally visible, and I launch with a single click, which is faster than any of the more newfangled search-oriented schemes. I don't know what things are like now, but early Gnome 3 was very much against the idea of letting you have a toolbar or put a launcher on it or do anything very analogous to any of that, that would let you launch your favourite applications with one click. In the runup to Gnome 3 when they were talking about their design ideas I actually inquired; they were quite specific in their opposition to the concept. I understand that nowadays if you install the right extensions you can frustrate the design ambitions of the Gnome people sufficiently to do many useful things, probably including that. But since Mate or Cinnamon or probably XFCE will allow me to do that out of the box and I'm convinced KDE would let me do something equivalent, I haven't felt the urge to investigate.

I actually do find icons-on-the-desktop good for games. If I'm going to play a game I generally want to clear the decks a bit first anyway; the game is going to be fullscreen, I'm not going to be doing anything else at the same time, and I just always have this sneaking feeling that having a bunch of other software open isn't going to be great for performance. And I have a lot of games (though not by some people's standards), and I don't always decide which one in advance. So it's kind of good to have a few of the games I'm currently interested in as desktop icons; I close up or minimize other software, have a look at what I might want to play, and pick one. Desktop icons can also be nice for that file I need to do something with in the next couple of days--put it in the desktop and resize it big so it'll be there staring at me as a reminder.

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Quoting: WJMazepas

Quoting: Purple Library GuyIt's cool, but at that point why "replace"? Why not just have a desktop computer?

Maybe people with tiny houses want something like this

I lived in a tiny house until 2 years ago (27 sq meters, thanks Camberwell) and this would have been a much less space saver than my ITX build connected to the TV.

Come to that, it strikes me that people who can afford this much for a computer mostly don't live in tiny houses. Sure, no doubt there are exceptions, young upwardly mobile singles living in fashionable urban tiny lofts, but as a rule.

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Quoting: ziabiceNeverwinter Nights: Enhanced Enhanced Edition :grin:

Enhanced Enhanced Edition Edition?

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Better multi-monitor support

Because of EWMH MM support on GNU/Linux is not very good (you simply can't have workspaces on different monitors be independent of each other). WMs which break EWMH compatibility (like Awesome with its Tags) are therefore doing a good job of pushing usability forward. But those lack the surrounding infrastructure of a full DE so everything is terrible for ever until we get rid of EWMH.

Sorry, I was ranting. To get back on topic: it's good that GNOME has been updated, but they should really try and get along with others (we were talking about getting GTK theme colours on the Emacs Devel mailing list [External Link].

What's EWMH?

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: 14Glad to see Steam has a demo button. I want to try it out. Only problem is, my friends and I have a fairly stable schedule of playing board games in person, so playing online isn't a large desire for us. I think I would need to add a different circle of players to get some use out of it.

I was always an "in person" man myself, but with Covid we went virtual . . . we'd probably have gone to in person, at a park maybe, for the summer except one of our GMs is married to a doctor and so is being especially careful.

Yeah, we just barely had one session of a new game we started, as we got to a sort of decent place to stop and let someone else GM for mine. Then with everyone being paranoid and one of my friends working at the hospital, we have held off on starting up again.
Shame too, because my Archeologist / Scientist / Engineer character is a hoot to play! Playing GRUPS Space stuff. Always entertaining when a GM asks in the middle of trying to solve an issue "Do you have archeology?" and I say "I do!" and another player says "What?? Of course YOU do!"
Gotta come prepared!

I love those SF brainy characters; so versatile. I'm actually right now running a sort of fantasy equivalent. An Islamic scholar, Muslim Renaissance Man type, Abu Hamid Ahmed ibn Mohammed al-Saghani, with a full eidetic memory. Archaeology is one of his things, too, which is good since we're currently exploring lost elven ruins. He's also an alchemist.

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It's cool, but at that point why "replace"? Why not just have a desktop computer?

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Interesting. And you know, climate change aside, there's nothing new about war ruining the landscape and wrecking the economy. Directly and indirectly . . . throughout recorded history you have countries chopping down all their forests to build navies.

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