Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: ShabbyXDidn't they reveal that os share is calculated automatically and is independent of the surveys?

Maybe, but not that I remember hearing. Source?

I can't seem to find the gol article quoting someone about this. @liam, do you remember this?

Just to clarify, I don't find it hard to believe. I've seen plenty of plausible speculation that Valve must have the accurate data somewhere, which they could release instead of the survey info, but I don't remember anything about them actually doing it.

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Quoting: Colombo

Colombo didn't really say anything at all. So who knows what they really mean? There's not much to analyse in that sentence other than Colombo disagrees with me (without providing a reason why).

So Colombo didn't say anything? And no one knows what it means? But Colombo must have said something, and something meaningful, when you interpreted the meaning as disagreement with you.

Given that there wasn't much to analyse, you made quite interesting analysis of my sentence.

Sadly without getting the simple meaning right in the first sense.

Dude, you should stop babbling.

drmoth has a point IMO. I don't see that this particularly clarifies anything, either. You may be right, drmoth may be wrong, but drmoth is making arguments while you're just assuming your correctness, so it's hard for me to tell what backs the assumption up.

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At a certain point you should be able to tell your sponsors to take a hike. What are they gonna do about it? Maybe something, but from all the way back on Earth their power is, shall we say, greatly attenuated. The frontier wants freedom!

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With limpid clarity I proclaim I would like to win a key.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI mean, if all those ex-PUBG players just washed right back out again as they stopped playing PUBG, most of them presumably never bought another game.

Why do you think that ? What does make the PUBG players so special ? I have no idea and do not know much about PUBG. :)

Apparently a whole lot of the influx of new Chinese users to Steam was people who came to play PUBG, which was a huge fad. Theoretically, they might have bought other games on Steam once they had arrived, but if they did that presumably they would have stayed on Steam to play those other games after they were finished playing PUBG. But Liam said,

I think one of the big reasons is also the major decline in people playing PUBG. Look at the "Players every day" graph on SteamDB and see how far it has fallen, which is big considering it was a game previously pushing the "simplified chinese" use up high. 3.2 million in January to around 1 million now.

So it seems a whole lot of the people who came to play PUBG in fact left again once they were finished playing it (and since they were all Windows users, Linux share rose as a result). But if they left Steam once they were finished playing PUBG, that means they didn't buy other games and stick around to play them. QED.

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Quoting: ShabbyXDidn't they reveal that os share is calculated automatically and is independent of the surveys?

Maybe, but not that I remember hearing. Source?

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: CorbenThere is definitely an impact on the Linux market share since Proton. I just hope this is not a statistical anomaly, as new Steam client installations have a pretty high probability to see the survey. So this could mean, lots of people are trying Steam on Linux now, and test if their games work with Proton... and maybe don't stick with Linux the month after. But from how I understand how the survey works, those people won't be counted the month after it again, as the survey should occur only once a year. Time will tell.

I think one of the big reasons is also the major decline in people playing PUBG. Look at the "Players every day" graph on SteamDB [External Link] and see how far it has fallen, which is big considering it was a game previously pushing the "simplified chinese" use up high. 3.2 million in January to around 1 million now.

Suggests the limitations for game developers of the sheer numbers of players (even if they're accurate, which I continue to doubt). I mean, if all those ex-PUBG players just washed right back out again as they stopped playing PUBG, most of them presumably never bought another game. So if I'm a game developer, all of them might as well never have existed--they're not going to buy my game. For developers, accurate stats of how much money was paid for games on the different platforms would be far more relevant--and of course on that score, Proton is very important because now a whole lot of sales of Windows-only games bought by Linux gamers to play on Linux, and even dual-booters previously to play on Windows, will now be showing as Linux sales.

On the accuracy of the stats--we still don't know the basic methodology, or even whether they're constantly changing it. We just know they occasionally find significant mistakes in it. That means we don't know whether it's even measuring the same thing over time, or how many significant mistakes are still in there, or even whether they keep introducing new ones.

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Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: LinasWith these rates we will have total world domination in no time. ;)

Imagine, in a year we'll be at 16.8%, and in two years we'll have a market share of over 470%!

Or maybe my math is a little off, that's a possibility too.

And Liam claimed the relevance can't be overstated. Clearly with a little effort it can be done! :D

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So I'm wondering what "souls-like" combat would be, and why that would be deep. ;)

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Quoting: mao_dze_dun

Quoting: TPhaster...we need friendly and welcoming community - they need to feel that Linux OS is for everybody and not for small tech elite.

Problem number one for the majority of people who tried Linux and then gave up, because thy were trolled on reddit by some elitist a**hole. Even some of the people on the Linux gaming sub-reddit are just insufferable. A few weeks back I was called out for having a "parasitic way of thinking" because I dared to express my view that an OS is nothing more than a tool and I will use both Windows and Linux for whatever purpose they best suit me. Then there was this other person, who tried to explain to me that not having Photoshop or Vegas Pro was somehow the fault of both the developer and the user. Essentially, people who need professional software had to be ashamed they need non-Linux software and use Linux anyway. Because f*ck your job - open source for life :). You just need a bit of a thick skin when you're in the Linux community. 9 people are extremely friendly and helpful, but the 10th makes Apple fanboys go "Daaaaaaaaamn!!!" :))).

True, but I would like to point out that the GamingOnLinux community we have here is pretty much the nicest gaming community on internet, at least from what I have experienced.

9 people be like: Everything is awesoooooome!
and the 10th be like: It would be even more awesome if it was DRM-free, but yeah, it's awesome.

Praise be to Liam's excellent moderation.

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