If it makes a huge step forward I have no problem if it needs new hardware. As I'm a computer scientist I want to dive into this and decide for myself if new hardware really was necessary though :)

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Never heard of this, looks like Natural Selection tho.... coolio!

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Basically it's just "okay" for many, because they're used to it. Many of the younger audience don't know a difference, because for them there is none. When DSL and highspeed internet with pretty much unlimited bandwidth took over, so did "banana software" that matures at the customer.

It's stupid, yes, but the easy way of distributing patches won't help. Wasn't it like Sony and Microsoft charged a lot for patches on XBox 360 and PS3? (Like 10.000$ for a patch?) Has that changed? It's really a shame, but it's the same in the whole software-business.

I mean, I'm not a game-developer but a software-engineer myself and it's like that everywhere :(

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A rather "stupid" question, but does the filesystem you use change anything? For some games *I heard* it's bad to use anything but ext4. (Although I'm not sure how or why you would optimize stuff for a certain filesystem.)
I personally am running btrfs exclusively since a few months. May this be a problem with dying light?

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" Nvidia 970 4GB GPU" No, it only has 3.5GB, so maybe that's it. As Dying Light is pretty demanding it may be that it uses more than 3.5GB and then the really slow 500mb memory are used and it stutters.

In case you don't know, nvidia has a pretty big pr problem right now, as it sold the card with 4GB while it effectively only has 3.5 really usable.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: ShmerlNot really. OpenGL is in the huge transition stage now. Next version of OpenGL will be completley different. So if you think about it, it makes sense for developers actually not to invest much effort into adding OpenGL support in their engines now until the next version will arrive, otherwise they'll be doing double work. Of course I'd like them to invest that effort if they have resources, but most don't have them. So practically speaking, until OpenGL-next will arrive things won't be moving much I feel.

Wrong.

A new OpenGL means nothing for developers using older versions, as their games will still work fine, so there's no need to not do OpenGL. It will also be a very long time before we see OpenGL Next anyway.

Developers don't have to use newer OpenGL. Developers choose the version and features they use.

We are talking about engines which have no OpenGL support at all yet. Their games already work fine. Now we, Linux users, want their games on Linux right? So developers of those engines have to add OpenGL support which can be a substantial amount of work. If they do it now, let's say for OpenGL 4.5 and spend half a year of that work, and then in another half a year OpenGL-next arrives, what would it mean? It would mean that their work becomes obsolete right after they finish it because new OpenGL will be completely different. (Assuming their engines aren't disposable and they plan to use them for future games so they care to update them to latest technology).

That's the one important part, before otherwise it's absolute nonsense. In (serious) software development you always choose a certain version of everything third party to write your code against. And if there are game changing breaks in the next version, you do not need to worry, because _it works_ (with your chosen version).

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Quoting: scaine[EDIT, or are you saying the converted price is roughly $72 US dollars?? That would be a crazy mark up though!]

Yes, gaming is an extremely costly hobby in Australia.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/11/why-do-videogames-cost-so-much/ [External Link]
http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1cjeez/eli5_why_do_video_games_cost_so_much_in_australia/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Sabun

The closed source drivers have been another thing entirely, still I think that most information regarding AMD is outdated and many nvidia-"fanboys" spread misinformation and FUD, for whatever reason (I guess they are simply pissed).

I wish you would not refer to the proper comment on concern to AMD's graphics situation as FUD.

I wish one could differentiate between "proper comment on the concern" and stupid bashing of the only real competitor of an otherwise monpolist.

Quoting: SabunThere have been users who have given up on trying Linux solely because of AMD's graphics driver situation. It is NOT a boon to us.

There have been users who gave up because NVIDIA as well (me, 3 years back), because the proprietary nonsense often broke my system (in fact always if a new update of the x-server or kernel came along. hence I had to wait, which is not the point of a rolling release distro)

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New users or unfamiliar users to Linux need to know that there is a very big caveat to using AMD graphics hardware in their systems. They will not be getting their bang for buck. This is not the fault of Linux, or the community. It is entirely on the shoulders of AMD.

Quoting: SabunProtect Linux before you would protect AMD.

I prefer to protect the open source idea instead of helping yet another quasi-monopolist to get a full monopoly and putting us in the very dire situation of either using proprietary technology or not being able to enjoy even the simplest games.

Quoting: SabunIn that regard, it is also entirely the fault of Nvidia for having such weak Open Source Nouvaeu drivers. Same goes to Intel.

Hence I openly encourage to try out the open source AMD drivers. As the poster before you will probably already have an AMD card it's nonsense to tell them "buy nvidia". In such a case it would even be better to switch to a Windows partition to enjoy one game, possibly not working well on certain hardware, than to buy another graphicscard and use proprietary drivers just to enjoy a game in an open source operating system.

(Which is really kind of ironic, don't you think? I mean, many users switch to Linux because it's open source and free (as in freedom) and all and then you use proprietary technology?)

Quoting: SabunIn Dying Light's system specs, they state that a HD6870 is the minimum requirement. It seems to be a very high requirement game (I only have a HD5750). So any adventurous AMD user, please note the required card.

With all that said, I couldn't hold off. I've pre-ordered the game. I really hope it counts towards Linux, I made sure to buy it whilst running Ubuntu.

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I simply think, that the concept of Closed Source drivers being marketed as the only way to enjoy gaming on Linux is completely wrong. Sure enough I can't play some games on Linux with my attitude towards open source drivers, but generally speaking they work really great. As I have 96 Games for Linux in Steam alone and only a few do not work (3/4 of those because of the lack of interest from the devs, 1/4 because the state of opengl implementation in the open source drivers) and the absolute majority works out of the box, I think it's pretty save to say you can enjoy gaming with an AMD card (and the open source drivers) on the open sourced kernel named Linux ;)

Many people immediately cry "Go nvidia, never buy amd" and that's something I can not understand. I have had nvidia and I've had amd (and voodoo's back in the days, and matrox ;)). I never was a fanboy of either (because what's the point anyway?) but the open source drivers for AMD are far better than those of nvidia (and I can compare) and AMD generally is more open.

The situation is somewhat like it was under Windows, where everybody complained about the bad AMD drivers years after they had improved heavily. Sure there is always stuff that can be improved, but spreading information people got a few years back in a fast-living market such as this, is bullshit!

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Quoting: coryrj19951This should be interesting, I recently started playing PA again. I also re bought it again, found the disc in a store. I thought that was kind of cool so I picked it up and seen "PC/MAC/LINUX" on the top left of the box, and Linux requirements on the back of it and bought it. :D

This is sooooo unbelievable dumb (still)... Windows != PC. I mean, what is my Linux gaming desktop? A toaster? Man, I really hate this new-speech and dumbed down marketing speech.

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Quoting: Sabun

Quoting: subI'll probably buy the game if it works flawless on AMD GPUs.

You're honestly asking for the impossible in this current time frame. You should let AMD know your concerns regarding this game. Letting us know or the developers know, won't get better drivers out the window.

I'm using the open source drivers pretty much since I switched to my current distribution (archlinux). I've never faced a problem I couldn't solve given enough time. I can play most of my games just fine.

The closed source drivers have been another thing entirely, still I think that most information regarding AMD is outdated and many nvidia-"fanboys" spread misinformation and FUD, for whatever reason (I guess they are simply pissed).

Today the drivers are not as good as they could be, but AMD is making progress too. It's not like nvidia is without fault -.-

edit: of course it depends which version of OpenGL the game uses and needs. If it's greater than 3.3 you can't play with the open source drivers. A price I shall gladly pay. Until I can play it, I'll have a new graphicscard and the game will be much cheaper :)

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