Quoting: Liam DaweAnswering with some thoughts of my own :)

Well, Steam Machines failed for so many reasons. If this is a device built by Valve, and there's only one (or 1-2 configs?). I can see it doing a lot better with the state of Linux now.

the issue is, they dont have to work for us, they have to work for the "average joe", otherwise nothing will change in terms of market share and thirdy party support.
and i dont think the average joe would give a second chance to valve, imagine knowing the disaster it was the last time and beting your money at it?
we may be willing to do, but we dont count, there are a lot of fanboys on the linux comunity or people who just want to support the cause, but it will be worthless if the average dont purchase then.

sure, maybe we will be able to game on the go, but we already can do that with the likes of GFN and stadia, so its at the point of diminishing returns.

Quoting: Liam DaweThat does bring up a good point but if Valve only supported some form of Linux on it, more might keep it that way. Either way, it would be a boost to Linux gaming if the main way to use it is with let's say SteamOS 3.0.

on the other hand, if that fail they might give up...

Quoting: Liam DaweAs I mentioned in a prev comment, given the success of other devices, I wouldn't just count the idea out. As long as this time around, Valve market it correctly and properly.

after they did 0 market the last time i wont hold my breath for that thing, i'm tired of creating fake hopes to be burned right after.

i had hopes when my government and many others arround the world tried to push linux, but they failed.
i had hopes when google tried to push chromeOS, but it failed.
i had hopes when valve tried to push SteamOS and Steam Machines, but it failed.

why should i lie to my self again?

i had hopes for android, it is an sucess but we dont count that as linux for some reason and it proved that the comunity was wrong in a lot of things that they said that would happen if linux became mainstream (like not having virus)

i had hopes that i could do my part in convincing a lot of people to use linux, but i was not able to convince anyone and as the time pass i started to realize how many things i had to give up in order to use linux (i got to know more games that i wanted to play that i cant and some were online games that dont exist anymore so i lost the oportunity forever not to mention softwares that would make my life easier or open new possibilities of things to do.)
so nowadays i cant convince myself to keep using it, its at the point of diminishing returns and the only reason why i dont go back to windows is the work is because it would be a lot of trouble backuping/formating/reinstaling everything.

honestly i think the main issue of linux was never conving people to give it a chance, but to convince then to stick arround for enough time to see the marketshare grow, many people on my country used linux when it was not ready for the mass adoption, so the reason why they dont use linux is not because they dont know about it but because they do and had an bad impression on it (wich is even worse, first impresion=last impression)

now, an gaming console could be an game changer, bsd has 0 games but playstation that is based on bsd has all the most relevant games of an entire generation, they just dont share this sucess with the bsd desktop¹, if an linux console sell like an switch or playstation it could change forever the situation of linux in both in terms of support for both new games and old games and finally the desktop gain some marketshare as result of this sucess...
but i think its too litle to late, honestly i think the only chance that we had was if we had fought against microsoft before they had stabilished total dominance and had won the fight even if that meant writing proprietary code, its better to dominate the market with some proprietary solution then open soruce it, than let some one else dominate the market someone who dont plan to open source it ever.

its too late now, the windows ecosystem has become an monster we just arent aware of the extension of the problem.
we say things like "gimp can replace photoshop" but photoshop has an ecosystem of add'ons bigger that can be compared to the ecosystem of thirdy party apps that windows have, not to mention that windows has acess to both photoshop and gimp.
we are satisfied of just being able to play an game, while on windows people are moding then to make their own levels and stuff with thirdy party tools that might not work on linux.
we have "hackers" that make wine, but we ignore that windows have "hackers" that do revere enginering on this ecosystem to make those mod tools.
people look at protondb and think that 80% of steam games run on linux, but i saw some games rated as platinum (works perfectly) that were missing basic features like sound effects, so protondb isnt realiable at all, people need to know an game to do Q/A and that is not the case for the submissions on protondb (even the small white list from valve isnt perfect there were bug fixes for nier automata runing on proton after they withe lited it) not to mention that the comunity effort isnt enogu to even test all the steam games, let alone do an proper q/a of then to make sure they work.

¹(the same can be said about runing android apps on linux, sure you can use an emulator but you might as well emulate on windows at this point , with better emulators)

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on a side note, i liked the name, i hope it can play the neptunia games, then i will be able to play with blacn & co in an properly named device. (the main character is neptune, but who care about main characters? blanc is the best girl/best waifu anyway)

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dead on arrival.
0)any one trust valve to make an game console again after the steam machines flop? anyone would trust then with your money?
1)the market for this type of thing is already flooded, gpd win etc.
2)if its not arm, then good luck with the batery, if its arm, then good luck with the gaming library.
4)people will just install windows on it anyway to get more games, so why bother.
4.1)that is, if it didnt come with windows already.
5)i dont know how to count
-1)it will tough to compete against the likes of switch for traditional gamers and android/iOS for people who dont know any better.

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i think those services are an bad idea in general.
dont get me wrong, they may be an great cost-benefit for consumers, but the cost for it is: companies deciding for us what we gonna play and who will be funded.
that is especially bad if consumers get so used to this model that they refuse to use any other (as many people refuse to watch something if it isnt on netflix, convenience and low price at all costs)
now think about it: the gaming industry as a whole move 100 billions of dollars a year, if we have 1 billion of gamers world wide that means each player spend an average of 100 dollars/year, if we start to having to spend less money in order to get more games, that will mean that this overal value (100 bilions/year) is reducing instead of increasing, this may sound good if you take into account that big companies earn ~10x more than they spend, that could mean that consumers will pay less and their margin for profit will shrink, but do you REALLY think they are the ones who will be affected by that? of course not, the small ones will.
and gamers will get so used to pay a little ammount of money to get acess to almost everything that they will start to refuse paying for stuff that arent on those services because "screw greed developers".

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: elmapulwe could be donating to one of those open source projects that exist and struggle to make money like make human and gimp...

I'd never heard of MakeHuman. Awesome! They also announced MakeTherapist. Which in this day and age, I think we could all use, Ha!

Actually that reminds me of the old Eliza program...

never heard of maketherapist...

reading here, looks like they are trying to bite more than they can.

"The toon "speaks" using speech synthesis. This is implemented via eSpeak. "

eSpeak sucks, i'm sorry for those who will have to interact with such abandonware.

talking to a chater bot dont seems like an good solution for those who need therapy, we cant even pass the turing test, imagine helping people who need help from therapy, it might turn things worse instead.

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we could be donating to one of those open source projects that exist and struggle to make money like make human and gimp...
but no, lets donate to that thing that might be an scam (and there are a lot of evidence supporting it).
the worst part is, even if this was sucessfull nothing would change in terms of marketshare for linux, people would just install windows on it (i mean, if they didnt already preo ordered with windows to begin with)
meanwhile donating to some open source project can make an difference.

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Quoting: NezchanI actually got very into the fan comics (and some official ones) made for this series. There's a surprisingly big cast and developed mythos, even before you get to what the fans lay on it, and frankly the setting is inspired, allowing for an incredible amount of variation. The games are so far beyond me it's funny though, so I'll probably give this a miss other than being impressed by it.

take a look at the doujin circles that make musics, there are a lot of good stuff, i recommend (among others) shibayan records, almost everything that shibayan touch turn into gold, he made a LOT of master pieces.
and the musics are like, the more you listen, the more you like

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Quoting: CJORI love Touhou. Surprised to see this game here, "nobody" knows about this.
On related news today the new official game was released. I don't know if it works on proton.

i know about it ;P
but i didnt tested anything beyond 13 (wich was painfully slow on my computer so i didnt bothered with testing the others relased since then)

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kinda awkward having the fan games and not the original, but there are like at least 300 fan games of touhou, and the original games are solo made so we cant expect the developer to port to linux

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Quoting: elmapulthe issue is that the public dont want competition, they want convenience at all costs.
people want netflix to be an monopoly so they can sing an single bill and have everything that netflix decides to licence (while ignore that there are a lot of good content unlicenced by netflix), and at the same time they have an single user interface to browser for all the content (lets ignore that its possible to have this by another aproach: separate the content from the presentation, wich is what google tv want to achiev, so you can browser an single ui for the content avaliable on all streaming services)

people want the same convenience on pc gaming, all games in a single user interface, all achievments in a single account, and those steam stickers and other gimmicks on every purchase.

consumers can be quite stupid sometimes, i can understand when an linux user complain that other stores dont support linux at all, the issue is: are we willing to sacrifice everything to push linux foward /keep using it?
backward compatibility is pretty much non existent already.

I personally like to see what I own in one place. I would be really glad, if this was just a frontend that supports thousand of stores and allows you to buy from them, but this means that every store needs to have open API and this will probably never happen.

For now I'm using Steam [External Link] for most of my games, MiniGalaxy [External Link] for GOG games and I actually don't have any idea what I own on Humble Bundle (I'm not buying from it that often, so it's OK for me).

For e-books I'm using Callibre [External Link], still I would be rather to have them somewhere online, so I don't need to bother with storage, with option to download them if I want.

And the situation is much worse for music (where streaming is standard these days) and movies (there is literally no way to buy DRM free movie, which you could play where you want, except indie movies).

So from a consumer perspective if there would be one Callibre like app for games, that just let's you buy from different stores and allows you to manage the game library in one place, it would be awesome. The same for music, movies, books and any other multimedia content you can think of. And if it would be Free Software, that would be just EPIC. Oh the dreams, the sweet dreams :-)

google tv want to do that, i mean, be able to browser the content from netflix, amazon prime etc all in one user interface, maybe even games with gfn, stadia and xbox gamepass...

the difference is that instead of fighting for an open APi they plan to use their market pressure.

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