Quoting: constPS5 has 813 games. Foremont + SteamController2 will certainly let you play games you couldn't play on any other console like device, unless you build one yourself. The PC ecosystem has huge advantages over traditional walled garden console ecosystems and console exclusives are less of an issue then ever before.
It could also once again be a device for game developers to target, this time for PCVR performance, which could give PCVR a big boost.

on paper, the steamdeck is better than the switch on every aspect, it could even emulate switch... in pratice, nintendo sell much more than the deck, so no, being a better product is not enough, it never was.

sure its a bit different on home consoles, because they cant afford to make exclusives anymore, they are porting to pc mostly because the cost of production of games is too expensive to keep then locked to a platform, yet i feel that if sony have to chose between help an competitor or not, they will chose not to, they will delay the port to pc or stop it altogheter and valve already comited to not making exclusives.
it may be sound crazy, but taking an cut of 30% of every game sold on playstation is more profitable than porting their games to pc, and pc was a different market, pc gamers were unlikely to move so it didnt affected playstation sales in the past, it will be different with a home console from valve, not to mention that now that pc gamers know sony exclusives, some of then might like it enough to purchase an playstation in case the game sequels stop coming to pc.

Quoting: constWith the SteamDeck, Valve tricked traditional economics of scale by taking the risk of preordering a huge chunk of APUs. That worked damn well for them, so why would they not do it again? My guess is foremont will be a lot cheaper then a Laptop or ready made microPC with similar performance.

pre ordering,sure, but if they cant sell then, this preorder will be a big loss of revenue for valve.
sony can preorder and keep lowering the cost of production over the generation due to the massive sales, then they can cut the price if nescessary and invest tons of money for the next generation.

valve ould compete with the switch in terms of power, but switch was over 7 years old and never bet in power, i doubt valve can do it again against sony and specially microsoft that can do tons of dumping.

as for the steam console having a big library, for microsoft its not a problem, then can flip a switch and allow windows games to run on xbox, they just dont want to accept other stores, but they can do better deals of revenue split to entice more people to "port" their games, and accept every other store but steam.

not to mention, bigger library didnt translated into sales for the deck over the switch so this might repeat against playstation.

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Quoting: ElectricPrismI think they will approach the market with this same modesty and probing it will reveal at least millions of sales if the price is able to be competitive.

i dont think so.
the hardware need to be good, and if they cant have the economics of scale that sony and microsoft have, i doubt they can make a competitive hardware for a competitive price.

not to mention, steamdeck had a lot of games that you couldnt play on the go on switch or anywhere else, the same cant be said about an living room device.

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Quoting: Craggles086Valve has proved to a mass market that their idea works with the SteamDeck.

Consumers should be a lot less sceptical about what a Steam Console without windows is capable of, Proton has now proven itself capable and has been accepted as such for anything outside the anti-cheat MMO’s.

Now if they can only get the pricing right, as they did on the SteamDeck then we have a gaming computer that can play the majority of PC games, and is priced competitively with building your own PC. Also functions well as a console. Whole different story to the first Steam Machines.

I would say it will only work if Valve are producing the hardware themselves but would love to be proved wrong.

i dont think the issue was the fact that steam machines run on top of linux, playstation run on top of bsd (wich had less games than linux, outside of the console) and yet, no one cared about, because it had games and the marketing of the games noticed the fact that its avaliable on playstation, the marketing of playstation quoted the games you can play on it, and it had exclusives.

no one cares what operating system an hardware have, so longas they know there is content they want there (or the content they want is there)

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i already hated funko pop before, i mean, why purchase funko if you can get an nendroid wich is way more cute?
anyway... now i hate funko even more, thanks stupid company!

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Quoting: Cyba.CowboyValve really need to address this... Most (all?) of the "anti-cheat" systems natively support Linux-based operating systems - but almost all of the developers behind them flat-out refuse to implement their own "anti-cheat" systems for gaming under Linux.

really? valve only did deals with 2 anti cheat providers to support linux, everything else that work just happens to work and not be blocked.

https://areweanticheatyet.com/ [External Link]

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Quoting: kaktuspalmeWhat makes it a success compared to creating your own HTPC:
1. Standardized hardware, meaning, game creators can create custom profiles like they do for the steam deck.
2. You don't have to build it yourself
3. Probably competitive pricing
4. Perfect support for things like CEC and bluetooth wake up. Turning on the steam controller turns on the console and the TV.

5. it need to be a silent device as well

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Quoting: CatKillerThere wouldn't be much demand for it with exclusives, either, and neither Valve nor Steam customers like exclusives.

i know a lot of people hate the pratice of making exclusive games, but hating something dont change the facts, and the facts are: exclusive games sell hardware.

im not saying i support this pratice or we should support.

the issue is not that exclusives dont sell, the issue is that valve isnt in the market of making games, they barely make anything and when then do its all in the same genres of moba or shooters.

if they were more like nintendo having an famous franchise in each genre or made exclusivity deals like that, they would sell a lot.

Quoting: CatKillerThe market would be "people that want an HTPC but don't want to set up an HTPC." That's pretty small - HTPCs are pretty easy to set up.

the issue is that you are seeing this as "the market of htpc" not, the market of gaming devices for the living room.
how do you explain that playstation 4 sold hundreds of millions? not to mention, steamdeck have much more games than nintendo switch, and AAA games while switch barely have any AAA beside nintendo own games, but switch sell in a month what the deck sell in a year, how do you explain that?

you are saying that the market of HTPC is small , but you ignore WHY its small, if the price was the only reason then switch shouldnt be outselling the steam deck that much.

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since the steam machines floped, i dont think that using this branding is a good idea.
since the deck was a success and the dock help tracks the demand for a living room experinece, the only logical name for an dedicated home console is:
the steam duck!

jokes aside im not sure there is demand for it without exclusives, but if valve can do that, it will create an warfare scenario for other console vendors.

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Quoting: pilkOh, neat stuff. Maybe more handhelds with SteamOS instead of garbo Windows 11. Maybe the return of the Steam Machine (I think it'd work nowadays thanks to Proton and the deck.)

i womnder if there is demand for it...
xbox barely can sell with temporary exclusives, and valve already comited to not making exclusives, on the other hand, not to mention most steam players already have an pc where they can game, but who knows steam have more games than xbox, so it might be enticing.

maybe if its cheaper than purchasing an gaming pc with similiar specs, but then we have no guarantee people wont install windows on it.

unless valve make the hardware incompatible somehow, like with drivers...
another thing to consider: if they will be making their own hardware, then they have no reason to limit thenselves to pc compatible parts, so if they want they can for example, put an gigantic cpu, gpu or apu, that wont fit anywhere else, and cant be replaced for an off the shelf component, that will ensure to developers that all players have the same hardware, ensure that people will rely on their drivers, and they can even future proof the hardware more than on a desktop, since you can fit more transistors in more space, so even when the hardware get smaller it wont make this hardware obsolete any time soon.

one mistake valve should not make again is rely on thirdy parties to make the hardware, without first making an floor of quality with their own hardware.

anyway i doubt they can make an hardware more powerfull than sony or microsoft for a similiar price, unless we count on developers targeting PS5 base instead of pro and valve having some hardware as powerfull as the PS5 pro that developers can rely on.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: elmapulthis number may be good, but the number of games on steam grow much faster than the number of games that valve is able to test, so the % of games that run on linux get smaller and smaller everyday.

Well . . . the % of games that officially run on Steam Deck.
Proton just keeps getting developed, so the % that run in fact on Linux, on a normal form factor PC, probably keeps growing.

i know, but people might not know the games they want to play work.

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