another thing i hope happens in the future is that we get an "big picture" ish interface to launch godot games and that a lot of games start using custom godot logo just like in the n64 days
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i hope that suika developers make it compatible with it, it will be the first app i install on it
https://ferdyslab.itch.io/suika-combination [External Link]

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Quoting: dpanterBleh, guess I didn't have enough fingers. Concerned this might hurt the Linux gaming handheld scene instead. I didn't trust Ayaneo before, things like this sure don't help and I definitely don't trust their ability to maintain a fringe spin of a fringe distro.
What will they do when issues start happening? Tell people to install Windows instead? :unsure:

its even worse if the hardware is crap and they dont tell people to install windows, because people might think linux/steamOS is the issue, since its not an well know OS.
when people had an poor experience with netbooks due to windows being crap on it, the netbook form factor suffered instead of windows, because people know that windows performs well in stronger machines.
if this hardware is crap and people have an bad experience with linux on it and dont try installing windows on the same machine they might think linux is trash...

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people asked about licencing cost...
so long as developing proton is more expensive than developing their own linux distro, i dont see why valve would charge for anything, the biggest the marketshare the more advantage for then.

once they got enough marketshare and some kind of exclusive features appear on their OS and developer actually use those features, they might consider charging for their OS.

speaking of charging, i wonder if microsoft always charge for licence sold (per unit sold) of windows, or if they share the cost of development of their operating system with other companies, as well as share the profits.

i mean, if you want to make your own hardware to sell, and you have to integrate with windows, but you cant access the windows source code and have to wait for microsoft to test and aprove your experimental drivers while you are still prototyping the hardware, you are screwed, i doubt microsoft work in that fashion with big companies, it probably is more like "co developed with intel", that said, smaller companies like aya have no hope of ever having access to something like the windows source code to have an better integration of their hardware to the inner core of windows, that is, if they need an feature that require such deep levels of integration, like, i dont know, an custom instruction set for fast video decoding with low power consumption... or more likely something like an gamepad with more axis and buttons, linux provide then with the advantage of being able to add new features as they want without asking for permission to do anything or having to reveal their plans, but if they chose steamOS instead of an in-house distro, either valve provided then with everything they needed or they havent needed anything custom...
still that is something to consider when we talk about other vendors.

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Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderKind of spooky..... We were just talking about something like this the other day........

Now let's see how much else of what we discussed shows up here. :grin:

Quoting: MohandevirLow cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

The high-end SteamOS handheld is the Steam Deck. Really, though, this makes perfect sense, but only assuming it's as low-cost as the literature so far implies. :smile:

The "Blue Ocean Strategy" has a term for this, and it's how all market disruption starts: "Crappy products for crappy customers.". That's not crappy as in low-quality, but rather "crappy" as in the big players in the market rejected them and refuse to cater to them even though there's a ready-made market just waiting to hand over their money (the fact that Linux gaming recently overtook Mac gaming, but we're still seeing companies refusing to support Linux whilst making large concessions for MacOS also plays into this).

The lack of certain features isn't a problem, either, for that reason - in fact, some more "Lite" options are likely to help adoption (as well as hopefully cover regions where the Steam Deck is not yet available).

in other words, companies like valve target the most profitable markets, while smaller companies target the markets that valve isnt interessed yet...

it makes me think if valve money isnt involved here, like if they purchase actions in the stock market and are using it to test the waters, with an smaller brand that wont hurt they reputation if it fails (like white labeling it)

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Quoting: fenglengshunThis is good. I wouldn't mind people favoring ROG or Lenovo Go had they run Linux. I just want them to run Linux to push adoption, don't really care what the teams are winning as long as team Linux won.

Gives me hope we'll see more Linux desktop releases. Wouldn't be a surprise for some SKUs for less economic country to put Linux to save money - in Indonesia, there was a time they shipped Linux by default to save money with expectation user will go to a shop to install Windows or have someone to do it for them.

Brasil had the same thing, the employees who sold the computer often ofered to install windows (pirated) on it if i remember correctly...

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: dubigrasuSo AYANEO OS...whatever was called, what happened with it?

They must have realised it's better to go with SteamOS, than fragment things further.

maybe it was vaporware, they didnt knew how to react to steamOS so they pretend to have an plan to adress it in the mean time while they decided their next move, they watched the market closely to see how the deck would perform against the windows devices, to see if they could get an nice deal from microsoft, to see if it would be worth create their own system or just use something made by someone else, then finally decided on it.

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Quoting: LoudTechieThere're multiple markets build around minimizing open platform risks. From copyleft compliance firms, to adblock detection, to hardware ip security development, to security audit firms.
Microsoft learned the hard way and nowadays plays the game quite well.
Google has spend its entire existence in the danger zone.
Apple uses a hardline approach, which limits their choices and still results in clashes from time to time.
Nintendo seems to have accepted it as a form of rot.
Sony actively fights it, with varying levels of success.
Hardware developers play from a position of strength and still Nividia flinches every major Nouveau update.
Gaming vendors hide behind Microsoft.

i kinda of understand what you said, but can you explain it a bit more?

to be more specific the specific relationship between companies and foss.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: elmapulthat is disapointing, if more vendors keep using windows then soon or later we will strugle to compete.

Not really. That's kind of like saying if we keep on releasing new Linux distros then sooner or later Windows will struggle to compete . . . If none of the Windows clones of Steam Deck actually sell, while the Steam Deck keeps on selling, it's fine.

the issue is that windows is more well know, the other oems might brute force every combination of price /specs/form factors until they manage to grab the atention of the same public that is currently purchasing steamdecks (except for us linux users or super hardcore gamers that actually pay atention to reviewers who said good things about steamOS), and then receive they reward from ms for killing another linux initiative.

or they might harm the reputation of handhelds in general making the public who never had an good experience give up on it and go back to notebooks /nintendo handhelds (that will be a reprise of what happened with netbooks)

valve already said they will lock the hardware specs, having steamOS in different hardware configs but having those made by the other vendors would be the ideal scenario to fight the midlegen competition while steamdeck 2 dont lauch.
alternativelly if valve can keep pushing the price down or the proposal enticing (eg: hall effect sensors for the next steamdeck 1)

i dont know how valve will play this 4D chess against an multi trilion dollar corporation, but i would feel more relief if they werent fighting alone.

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Quoting: RavenWings

Quoting: elmapulthe bad news is the rate of growth of this list vs steam game list...
sure there are a bunch of shovelware on steam but still... the % of compatible games tend to reduce over time.

The percentage of unrated games will propably keep growing against the number of verified/playable games, thats right, but I wouldn´t use the word "compatible", because most of the unrated games are already running perfectly fine and even a huge chunk of the unsupported games can be played with little-to-no effort or drawbacks.

yeah i used the wrong term, counting the ammount of the unreated games is more accurate.

but still, if an game is not feature complete it might as well not exist in my (and many people) books.

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