contrary to popular belief, i dont think more competition is always good.
the issue is, one of the key advantages of open source is not reinventing the whell, and we will be doing just that if we contribute to that engine instead of, i dont know, godot.

competition means reinventing the whell instead of cooperating to build an better one, fragmenting the comunity and the efforts, sure, some times its nescessary because the maintainers of an whell arent competent enough or are doing some mistakes that no one knows yet that those things are mistakes, but later on in the future when we do realize that design mistakes, we would have another code base to work with if we have competition.

but still, i dont think they are doing it for noble/altruistic reasons, instead they saw they couldnt compete and instead of admiting to their users that they are wasting their time and they could have better sucess using other engines, they want to keep then on their softwares but self supporting instead of supporting then.

sure, that is an better ending for an engine than being left as an abandonware, at least people can self mantaing or migrate to another engine more easily, but if that engine proves to be useless, they will just waste more time.

in any case i wish then (and their users) lucky, i will not take a look at it because i'm fine with godot and unity, i was an engine hopper for to long and finally found an home with engines powerfull enough to make my game instead of having to migrate all over again due to engine limitations, i will not take a look at this engine because i'm already satisfied with what i have, but i wish then look and i hope they can cooperate with an better gaming world instead of fragment efforts for it.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut that's not how long it takes.
If a game doesn't run with wine from the get-go, it won't run. In some rare cases, you can install a few libs using winetricks to resolve an issue, but that't it.
You spend 10 minutes at max on that. And then it either works forever (so those 10 minutes are unique), or doesn't.

My Wine prefix has all the usual dlls needed installed and I just need to run Steam via wine, install a game and play it - and it will either work or won't, but I won't lose much time either way.

i took 5 days to install tera (because the stupid installer didnt knew i had an good internet connection and took years to download the game)

and i was not able to install it on wine.

i took about 1 hour to insall neptunia and it worked fine,but i already had finished the game on a windows machine, then i tried to install the second game on the same prefix and not only the second game didnt worked, the first one stoped working as well.

its a pain in the ass.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyRemember Silicon Graphics? No?

actually i do xD, they made openGL
and i was studying on then recently (through videos on youtube), quite insteresting what they did on movies, the n64 and 3D interface (fun fact mario64 interface was based on their interface)

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

yes, i also think that ChromeOS/ChromeBook is our best bet for sucess, if google fail or give up, i will lose my hope, but hopefully they will not.
windows will probably survive and keep an high marketshare, but at least we will be at an much better position in terms of marketshare, 5,10 maybe even 30% in the future.

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Quoting: liamdawe

you must see this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0qyUhb3VXI [External Link]

atariVCS isnt the first crowdfunding from Atari, and they didnt delivered the others!
or delivered without the games and atari brand...

sorry for using quote to mark you, i dont know if there is any other way of doing that

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"Their IndieGoGo is doing well, with it hitting nearly $3 million in pre-orders. "
wich is 5 millions less than an the ouya did, and still floped.
wich is a double shame since they are the fucking ATARI brand and ouya was an no one ever listen about brand.

ouya costed less , sold more, and still the number of users were not big enough for developers.
i will say it again, this thing will not help us to increase the linux marketshare.

Ouya at least had an proposal, bring indie games to the living room, and add an new feature on the controllers (touchpad)

but playstation killed then adding touchpad on ps4, xbox and playstation killed then by adding support for indie games, and they product died anyway because they couldnt sell many or the public didnt purchased many games (maybe the target audience was to poor to buy many games anyway?)

this thing is snake oil, we are just failing to see it because "It runs linux", wich seems to be a pejorative thing nowadays, the fact that google, facebook etc runs linux dont mean that any crap hardware would become automatically good because it runs linux or would have better drivers for linux than for windows.

this thing will only harm the atari brand even more and harm linux as an brand for the average user even more.

and even it the product isnt is an scam and turn out to be an hardware more powerfull than they promissed on the campaing, with an great cost benefit and so on...

people may just install windows on it to have acess to more games (as they did with the steam machines)
and the product will not sell many copies anyway because many youtubers are trash talking the product.

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" Perhaps only 100 Linux sales of an indie game are enough to make that version worthwhile financially, compared to the 10 thousand or so Windows purchases needed"

i dont get this sentence

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Quoting: [email protected]

Quoting: elmapuli hate to say that, but that decision will have an negative effect on us, and positive on then.

iOS is a "money making machine" so many game engines support metal or will support metal so they can be used to make iOS apps, now that apple will ditch support for iOS its more likely that more games will support metal than they will keep suporting openGL.

we have an lower marketshare, most big companies will ditch support for linux insteda of mac.

apple is the richest tech company, even if some companies dont want to support then, they can afford to purchase some support including exclusive games.

The same can be said for Android which in fact is a bigger pie than iOS alone.

Most Android implementations ship with some form of OpenGL and more modern, higher end ones also ship with Vulkan too.

android indeed has an highter marketshare, but most of the money comes from the iOS market.
making money for iOS is more profitable than for android unfourtunatelly.

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Quoting: elmapulwhy would you develop for an platform with 10.000 users when you can develop for an platform like ps4 with 70 millions of users?

Why you think making a game for AtariVCS is making a game for only 10.000 users when Atari uses Linux?? When you make a game for Linux you're making a game for AtariVCS.

the issue is, AtariVCS will not change our marketshare from 1% to 2%,3% and so on, so its irrelevant as an product.

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Quoting: Hamish

Quoting: elmapul"Not everyone is going to be both as patient and anal as I am. "
not everyone has time.

Sure, but since we are talking about playing games here, having free time is already something of a given.

Not that I have wasted that many hours of my life getting a game to work with WINE. As long as the game starts at all it is usually fairly trivial to get it up and running in my experience. Especially since as I have already mentioned many of the games I use WINE for will no longer play nice even on a modern Windows system.

i rather spend 2 hours playing, than 1 hour 55 minutes trying to make the game work, and 5 minutes playing it.

(assuming that i only have 2 hours after the work, trafit, studying and so on)

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