Quoting: PeciskI feel this device has drawn attention because a) Windows gaming fans feel threatened because I have never understood why

there are a few reasons for that, linux users trash talking windows dont help much...
fanboys will defend their favorite platform no matter what, especially when its attacked by others, an playstation fanboy might not have anything against xbox, but if he saw an xbox fanboy trash talking playstation the trend will be for him to start hating xbox.

a lot of people have their reasons to love windows/microsoft (emulation, backward compatibility and everything being compatible with it) and dont have a good impression on linux, it didnt help much that we tried to promote linux since it was in a... barebones state, i mean didnt had much support for games and stuff.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeit's optimized for that lower resolution and hardware of the Steam Deck, as like for like in resolution / settings, the Deck performs better.

no one forces you to use the ally in max resolution that the screen support.

Quoting: stormtuxFor now Valve has one year head start on the software: UI workflow, performance optimizations, drivers, integration with the Steam environment, the compatibility evaluation system etc

the issue is, the end user dont know about this, UX is only relevant for the people who currently own an product, not the ones who gonna purchase it.
unless the reviews come and talk about those issues.

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Quoting: Pecisk. Essentially, even XBOX is not that interesting to them. It is not a huge money maker.

i dont know, spending 70 billion on a company is much even for microsoft standards.

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Quoting: Guest8.6 tflops is crazy number for a handheld device, it is twice bigger than ps4pro, on par with rtx2070 tier GPU, and just a bit behind current gen consoles. you literally can replace a decent gaming pc with it

And that's probably all it's good for, to be honest. To get that kind of speed, you have to run it at full power and barely get an hour of battery life. Coupled with the clunky Windows UI and half-baked Asus software, it would be better to use it plugged into a monitor on a desk than as a handheld. It makes sense if you want it instead of a gaming laptop. For a desktop, you can still build a cheaper machine. In fact, I just built one for my living room, and it runs SteamOS. :grin:

like i said previously im not sure this thing is really at 8.6TF. i could be wrong but it says "Upto".
So this might just be false advertising / marketing.. like, Technically if you ran the thing in desktop APU environment it might be .. idk seems a bit high seen as the steam deck is 1.6TF and terraflops can be measured in different ways to inflate the number.

Steam desk is 15W =1.6TF
ROG Ally is max 30W at 8.6TF

I know its a new generation RDNA but the extreme variant doesn't actually have anything different architecturally than the basic Z1 its just able to use more power.. so your paying $100 for a software boost if anything. You might actually be able to unlock the basic version with a firmware update.

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-z1 [External Link]

It's possible that the measure of value for TFLOPS is not based on even the 30W limit but just theoretical. Or i could be wrong and that's the right number.

BTW that number is actually closer to a RTX2070-Super than a stock 2070. Which has a 215W TDP ...

maybe they are including the ability to an external gpu?

maybe idk.

confirmed!
https://youtu.be/qLVgr29NMA0?t=207 [External Link]

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: melkemind

Quoting: Guest8.6 tflops is crazy number for a handheld device, it is twice bigger than ps4pro, on par with rtx2070 tier GPU, and just a bit behind current gen consoles. you literally can replace a decent gaming pc with it

And that's probably all it's good for, to be honest. To get that kind of speed, you have to run it at full power and barely get an hour of battery life. Coupled with the clunky Windows UI and half-baked Asus software, it would be better to use it plugged into a monitor on a desk than as a handheld. It makes sense if you want it instead of a gaming laptop. For a desktop, you can still build a cheaper machine. In fact, I just built one for my living room, and it runs SteamOS. :grin:

like i said previously im not sure this thing is really at 8.6TF. i could be wrong but it says "Upto".
So this might just be false advertising / marketing.. like, Technically if you ran the thing in desktop APU environment it might be .. idk seems a bit high seen as the steam deck is 1.6TF and terraflops can be measured in different ways to inflate the number.

Steam desk is 15W =1.6TF
ROG Ally is max 30W at 8.6TF

I know its a new generation RDNA but the extreme variant doesn't actually have anything different architecturally than the basic Z1 its just able to use more power.. so your paying $100 for a software boost if anything. You might actually be able to unlock the basic version with a firmware update.

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-z1 [External Link]

It's possible that the measure of value for TFLOPS is not based on even the 30W limit but just theoretical. Or i could be wrong and that's the right number.

BTW that number is actually closer to a RTX2070-Super than a stock 2070. Which has a 215W TDP ...

maybe they are including the ability to an external gpu?

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Quoting: GroganIt's going to hurt the Steam Deck for sure. Moreover, I'd expect Steam Decks to start shipping with Windows configurations soon.

Also, it's no coincidence that Microsoft is buying up all the big game publishers. It also wouldn't surprise me if Asus was getting near free OS licensing from Microsoft as a carrot.

Quoting: GroganIt's going to hurt the Steam Deck for sure. Moreover, I'd expect Steam Decks to start shipping with Windows configurations soon.

Also, it's no coincidence that Microsoft is buying up all the big game publishers. It also wouldn't surprise me if Asus was getting near free OS licensing from Microsoft as a carrot.

negative licensing. (microsoft could be paying then)
anyway, i doubt valve will give windows options, dealing microsoft is like dealing with the devil, either you go full windows or they dont give you a far deal.
they usually charge for device sold not device with windows, meaning that linux machines would pay the windows licence too, and cost the same if not more.

valve will probably fight with prices.
they make money on each game sold and have almost 0 competition on steamOS, that alone is a big reason for then to charge less.
if other stores start supporting linux, they win again because they will reduce gaming dependence on windows.
and even if this device sell well, that might mean more people purchasing pc games in many stores but mostly steam.

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Quoting: KohlyKohlTouchpads are a must with these devices because they play PC games and are not setup like a console device with controller first support.

For me, playing mostly point and click, something to actually point and click feels vital. For others, this may not so much be the case.

It really depends on what games you play. Just took a sneak peak on IGN review comments and naturally, someone claimed the ROG would play more games because windows. I actually don't think so. Anything not designed around controller input will be extremely uncomfortable or plain unusable and that's a huge chunk. Does it even have gyro?
Well, whatever. Hardware wise, this absolutely has it's strengths and for some people it might actually be the better choice. Not for me.

its time for valve o promote some touchpad friendly games
XD

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" Competition is absolutely good! "
so long as there is competition.
windows marketshare make it pretty much impossible to compete.

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wait, there is a "," instead of a "." or "!" after the word free? LOL

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"3 months of xbox gamepass for free"
sus

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