Quoting: 04ELYNo way Valve and Linux scared Microsoft to put effort, we're going good! :grin:

of course we do.
we kicked their butt in the server, super computer and mobile devices.
consoles are able to reach numbers as big as 150 millions devices and we are doing relatively good , especially if we use as reference the first xbox.

if other companies like google (chromebooks), amazon (luna) start beting on linux, then we will have big capital investing on us, so even if valve isnt the one to bring linux to the masses, if they show its possible others may follow and someone finally break windows monopoly.

valve is proving that is possible WITHOUT exclusives to break into that space, nowadays most of the games people want do work and people seems to be willing to compromise on the others or wait for then to work instead of dualboot/changing to windows on their deck.
not to mention the network effect that is starting to get shappe on everything related, all techs related to gaming like wine,dxvk, drivers, anti cheat, lutris are evolving on our ecosystem faster than ever, if microsoft dont manage to desacelerate it, they might get into serious trouble.

imagine an chromebook with full integration with your phone (transfer calls etc), full support for android apps and the same compatibility of windows games/softwares that steamOS have + a few exclusive apps from google.
imagine luna using linux as their main system instead of windows, and maybe even geforce now with nvidia having an reason to put linux as their first class citizen at least on servers.
(amazon already is looking at techs like wine)

on linux already have more games than any console ever had (counting only verified+playble) more than mac (if we include native+verified+playable), the only pc platform with more games is windows, it also still get more games per day than we do, but that can change.
as for mobile, its another niche but some gamers play both including android emulation for pc and if we count mobile games, then the number skyrockt for an ridiculous high number!
even non steam games are becoming easier than ever to install, im starting to get hope again!

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicI have some theories and opinions on why Linux isn't particular popular in non-English speaking countries.
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as someone who the main language inst english , i can tell you why, at least one of the main reasons.

as you said, the documentation for us is lackuster, but there is something even worse.
i have an good english, im good at reading, writing, listening , the only issue i have is speaking, even then, i prefer to use an system on my native language, its more confortable.

if you try to use linux in an non english lang, and got any error message, you cant find almost any help online.

just think about it:
what distro are you using? ubuntu, fine, what version of it? 20.04, fine that is still quite popular, what hardware do you have? x cpu, y gpu, z ram etc... fine, that became quite nicher if its a problem specific to this hardware config, but someone else might have the same problem and posted the solution online, google search the error message in english on google and you will find tons of ansewers online, now, put you system in portuguese and wait for the error message to appear again, control c, control v the error message on google... you will find almost no result! or maybe you find someone that solved it in 2014 in another distro, you try their solution and it may seem to fix the issue but cause another one, and now your system is in an strange niche configuration that its unlikely that anyone else have it.
like you have an ubuntu 20.04 with an package intended for fedora from 2014 installed on it.

honestly,i think we need error codes in our system.
with an message like:
"error code 01 package not found"
you have 2 ways to search for the solution, try to google "package not found" and try to google "ubuntu error code 01"
if its in portuguese, you just have to know that the translation for "código de erro 01" is "error code 01". and you can find results even if they are in english.

if you had to translate "package not found" or any other specific term, then the different ways that an phrase can be translated could result in you searching for an error message that dont exist in english.

for example, recently firefox changed the way he calls the term "save file as" from "salvar arquivo como" to "guardar arquivo como" different translations like that may confuse people who cant find the error message in portuguese and manually try to translate it to english.

(btw: this guardar como is inconsistente, i tried now and it says "salvar" again for some reason)

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"Quite a stark drop, since Linux isn't particularly popular in Asia and again, "
or maybe it is popular on asia, but not on cybercafes?
by popular i mean as much as it is elsewhere, arround 1%...

anyway, where is the GPU data on the survey? to be more specific the model used on steamdeck...

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forget aya neo, asus rog, gpd and etc, this is the thing we should be afraid of.

an good UX is one of the biggest reasons other handhelds are strugling to compete with steamOS/Steamdeck, especially if we consider that this may integrate with all windows launchers.

not to mention that, even if the deck still get the edge when it comes to performance, microsoft can launch their own devices and things can go south , but that will take a while to happen.

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i think valve need to open "Arcade Houses", Arcades are still alive and doing fine on japan, and in the rest of the world they could try to allow people to play for free by waiting on a quee , so they can experience the VR device and purchase it right after.
it probably wont be sustainable to keep the arcade house free forever as many people will quit the quee once they get too large and will like the experience but not enough to pay for it, but once people are convinced that its a worth while experience, then the arcade house can become bigger, but no longer be free to use.

people nowadays arent used to the concept of renting games, bux xbox gamepass proved they are willing to do that if its way cheaper, and VR devices are way to expensive, no one wants to pay this fee to know if its worth it.

i dont think VR will skyrocket unless someone do "test drive" areas in big cities.

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i dont like this idea of moding an game to work outside of VR.
dont get me wrong acessibility is cool and all, but there is an big issue here:
its not the same thing.

you cant know how good an DS game is, without an Nintendo DS, using an mouse instead of an touch screen is not the samething, using an resistive touch screen that sink with the pen/stylus pressure is much better than using an phone screen with your fingers, at least for DS/3DS games.

Using an Wii with an wiimote or an motion game for switch with their motion sensors, is better than using an generic controler in the same game.
not to mention other things like stering whells.

this generation is hyper focused on graphics, but forgot everything else when it comes to games, like the importance of the gameplay of an game or even the input devices.
(not that everyone play shit games, but the discussion is never about the gameplay of an game but it graphics, that anyone can see how good they are just looking gameplay video)

and in this case, the imersion of VR covering your entire view will be break too.

i dont know, i think many people will comit 2 errors here:
1)not trying the real experience even when they can afford it, because they dont think its worth their money, but without trying they have no idea what they are missing to do a properly judgment of if its was worth.
2)even if they manage to experience the game as is later on, it will not be the samething, because they will have to get throught the frustation of adapting to the controls again on the same game and they will have spoiled the entire story.

so... i dont recomend it.
try it if you want but keep in mind that you arent having the true experience.

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"After they spoke with Epic Games, they said it's clear Unreal Engine 4 won't get fixed up with the focus now on Unreal Engine 5 and ROCKFISH don't have the time to fix up the game engine."

fair enough

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Quoting: CatKillerLinux was at 1.27%, of which 21.05% was the Deck. So the 1.6 million represents roughly 0.27 percentage points of the Steam market*. If we add another 1.9 million, that's an additional roughly 0.32 percentage points

if your numbers are right, then steam might have half a billion users nowadays... i dont think this is correct, last time i checked it was something arround 120 millions or maybe 160 millions, but not even close to 500 millions.

there is something wrong here, either most steam deck users install windows on their machines, or linux marketshare is wrong or steamOS marketshare...

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another thing to consider is:
deck might be the first gaming device in history to sell a lot without exclusives.
if deck can prove its possible, then others will be more pressured to follow.

be it by the public or maybe even stake holders.

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Quoting: BlackBloodRumConsider that many Windows gamers are straight up dead set against Linux.

Oh yes, I've seen a plenty of windows slaves hating linux with boiling blood. It is quite unsettling to see people who hate freedom so much and defend their shackles.

that is the issue with us linux users:

we see freedom as freedom to use,modify and distribute an software, without anyone trying to restrict us in what we can do.
but in pratice we have tons of restrictions upon us due to the lack of support from software/hardware vendors (im counting games as sofwares), for years we didnt had many games to play, even if we could play then it was a pain to make then work properly that is, if it was possible at all, some times you followed the entire tutorial of how to install something on linux, but it didnt worked on your distro, or your video card vendor or it did for someone else but not for you for unknow reasons, it was a mess!
and online games are still an issue.

windows users see freedom as the ability to do whatever they want
sure they cant modify some parts of the system, but realistically that is too niche, most of then dont care about desktop customization, what they care about is being able to play whatever they want and be able to edit videos with tons of options of video editing softwares, being able to make games (we barely had any option) being able to use all photoshop features +gimp if you think photoshop isnt as good as gimp...
as for modifying? moding was aways an possibility on pc gaming, compared to that, what we had? we could chose between countless desktop enviroments that do the same thing?
try to 3D modeling with KDE without blender to see if its "freedom".

windows users DONT HATE FREEDOM, they just think windows gives then more freedom.
they dont have a clue about what source code is, nor couldnt care less, source code seems useless from the point of view of an non programmer, if you cand understand an code to do anything with it, what is the point ?
now, compare the ammount of pre built options of an "super tux" game with the ammount of easy to use power ups and traps in your average "mario maker", what gives more freedom to the average joe ?

i know a lot of windows users who hate linux, not because they never tried, but because they did and hated it.
then they were haressed by the community who were too busy trashtalking then to offer any help to fix their issues.
i grew up with linux users calling me lazy and blaming me for everything that goes wrong with my system, yet i tried to prove then wrong by trying to learn linux anyway, while most people would just quit it instead and start hating linux, its community, everything involved.

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