I have emailed Crytek about the Linux version of CryEngine, no reply yet, doubt I will get one from them.

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Quoting: Quote from torham

Quoting: QuoteA lot of games are Steam-only for prerelease (alphas, "early access" betas...) because it's so much simpler for a developer to handle them that way (automatic updates and such).

Is it actually easier to do this on Steam over Desura?  It seems like Desura would handle automatic updates.  Perhaps it has more to do with more people being on Steam and only wanting to prepare a single release.

Developers on Steam do it all themselves, Desura seems to need manual update approval.

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If you wish to continue debating DRM there is a forum post for that:
http://www.gamingonlinux.com/forum/topic/456

This is an article about debian developers getting free games, shadap already!

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Afraid no news, our contact who where porting it went silent, the developers on Steam stated they are updating the Linux version and since then....nothing.

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Hamish, it is the developers choice, Steam offering up their own doesn't mean a developer has to use it. It is a matter of simple fact that it is a developers choice to use DRM on Steam or not.

And really people, this article is nothing to do with DRM, it's about free games, take a chill pill guys?

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Well folks we do have a wiki http://www.gamingonlinux.com/crowdfunding/

If anyone wants to they can feel free to create a DRM free games on Steam list.

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Quoting: Quote from liamdaweIt is as much a burden as logging into a website to download rather than having a dedicated link to download.

I'm sorry, but that's stupid. On Desura, I can freely download even Windows-only games to play them with wine (as much as I hate the necessity). With Steam, I have to reinstall the whole Steam client in Wine because Linux-Steam won't let me download Windows-only games.
This is especially stupid when we're talking about AGS games: I can run them natively with an AGS build from the sources, but I would still have to install Steam in Wine to download them.

So because Steam doesn't make it super easy to do something the game developers haven't done (include the native ags) that makes Steam DRM does it? The desura client doesnt let you you download windows games.

Some people need to take off their tinfoil hats. I am getting bored with this argument here.

Steam by itself is a download client/browser that offers game developers a choice on DRM.

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Quoting: Quote from fowll

Quoting: Quote from ShmerlSo they consider DRM to be the integral part of their service? I really don't see a good reason for that.

Quoting: Quote from fowllgood thing is that Valve already offer DRM free games. DRM is not a part of steam but a option for developers who require DRM.
try for example "sir, you are being hunted" by double clicking on the ELF file, with steam closed.
the game starts and steam stay closed.

No, they don't. I already explained in the previous threads, that DRM-free means offering standalone packages / installers first (and then of course no additional requirements to run the client for running the game and so on). Steam fails at step one already.

what more than a DRM free download do you need form steam? you want it to install the game without running steam?
once the game is installed you can unistall steam and keep the game.

This + 1, which links into my answer, steam itself is NOT DRM. It is as much a burden as logging into a website to download rather than having a dedicated link to download.

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Quoting: Quote from Shmerl

Quoting: Quote from liamdaweWell no, Steam is the most integral part of their entire service, they won't give that up, ever.

So they consider DRM to be the integral part of their service? I really don't see a good reason for that. Convenience of the service in some aspects has nothing to do with restrictions it also adds. I.e. nothing stops Steam from keeping the convenience while dropping the DRM nonsense. Except their unwillingness.

They don't see it as DRM remember, and it is questionable if it really is. Their "DRM" is actually a group of services offered to games like matchmaking, achievements, cards etc. It is a developers choice to use them, not Steam's.

If you want to hammer against DRM on Steam, talk to the game developers.

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Quoting: Quote from Shmerl

Quoting: Quote from Half-ShotI wouldn't expect them to give out DRM free games because Steam.

Why? In many cases developers have no objections to DRM-free distribution (and sell the same games on HB and GOG DRM-free for example). It's only Steam service limitations prevent DRM-free options from being offered. So as I said - it's time for Valve to address that. And that would be welcome. Offering games at no charge but with DRM? No, thanks.

Well no, Steam is the most integral part of their entire service, they won't give that up, ever.

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