I am looking forward to having the performance improvements :D

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Quoting: Quote from DisGreat news. Middle-ware seems to be an important hurdle to porting games that didn't get made with multi platform support in mind. As for TW:R2 it might be just an example of a streamed game, but most of the other games shown do have a Linux port. (Does anyone know what game is on the lower right image?)

Metro Last Light.

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Quoting: Quote from liamdaweBlindly bashing? I was an AMD graphics card user for 5-6 years until I had enough of their issues.

Here's some food for thought too https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-emulator-and-opengl-drivers-hall-fameshame [External Link]/.

I do not blindly bash anything.

Quite aware that as an editorial, opinion is part & parcel, just thought it could be a little less....."rant-y", for lack of a better word. Doesn't sound as professional, and takes the focus away from the actual topic (Mantle).

Not "rant-y" at all, it's just my opinion, i thought apart from my one comment due to personal experience it was overall a positive article.

Quoting: Quote from Hamish

Quoting: QuoteAMD is less than amazingly popular with Linux users due to their terribly buggy and under-performing drivers

And Nvidia is less than amazingly popular due to their closed nature and unwillingness to cooperate with the community, something both AMD and Intel have been far better at doing, and doing it cooperatively as a community.

I personally feel it a little disrespectful to all of the hard work being done there to make such a large swipe against AMD, although Liam is certainly within his rights to do so.

NVIDIA is still the most popular graphics card manufacturer around, no matter where I look especially in the Linux sphere everyone is recommending NVIDIA and still saying how AMD's drivers aren't up to scratch.

Disrespectful to who exactly? This is an editorial so it all comes from my personal experience and personal observations, It's not disrespectful to know how bad AMD's drivers can be from experience, my rig has an APU in it remember, I tried using it before I finally got an NVIDIA card, it was god damned awful.

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Quoting: Quote from SilviuI really wish AMD had more to show about how open Mantle will really be. All I can find is how people on various sites interpret what they heard and saw during AMD's presentation. So far "cross-platform" for them means exactly Windows, XBONE, PS4 and WiiU.

You'll have to wait until November it seems. A little frustrating ("hey look at this cool thing! Now wait a couple of months until we say more....";), but that's marketing I guess. Maybe they're waiting for battlefield 4 to showcase it a little more.

As for the article, I'll say this every time somone blindly bashes amd's drivers: they have bugs, sure - the competition does too - but it's nowhere near as bad as people try to make out. My way of saying that such things in articles make the article look less than stellar, in my opinion.

Back to mantle: there's a fair amount that people can do with consoles that simply can't be done with directx/opengl, simply because of the architecture - and I suspect that most of that is to do with memory addressing. So my prediction is that mantle is aimed at HUMA systems primarily, and possibly some nicer texture management interfaces (PRT comes to mind). Nothing that can't be done with OpenGL....just have to get your hands a bit more dirty to make it work.

Blindly bashing? I was an AMD graphics card user for 5-6 years until I had enough of their issues.

Here's some food for thought too https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-emulator-and-opengl-drivers-hall-fameshame/ [External Link].

I do not blindly bash anything.

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Sadly the high gamma is still present on Linux :(

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Quoting: Quote from HolgerValve's news for today ?
http://technabob.com/blog/2012/06/25/trackball-game-controller/ [External Link]

God I hope not, not only is that ugly as hell it would be really annoying to use.

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Quoting: adolsonThis site needs a way to distinguish quotes pasted from other sites, and editorial blurbs because it's messy to read like this.

In any case, I'm pretty excited about this. If there's a hardware option I can justify spending on, my PS4 purchase will be suspended indefinitely.

We do, I'm using it right now ;)

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It's odd to not include that, it's probably an easier feature to do than internet play.

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Hmm interesting, we don't exactly have long before we find out thanks for sharing hele.

Bundling a source2 game on activation of a SteamBox would be killer :D

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Quoting: Quote from liamdaweYou need to look up the meaning of FUD, where have I lied exactly? I am not spreading dubious information at all, I am posting legitimate concerns, if you don't share them that doesn't make them FUD.

Comments like this need to stop it's "tireing".

I'm not acusing you of lying. From Wikipedia: "FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information."

FUD might be a bad choice of words for describing your outlook, but I do feel that you focus to much on Uncertainty and Doubt. You used "Fear" yourself in your update to this post. So, where you spreading your "fears" or your "legitimate concerns"? :) Semantics, right? If the possibly positive outcomes of things like this weighed up the "legitimate concerns", then it would appear less FUDdy. See what I mean?

I've been using Linux for five and a half years now. It moves forward everyday, and I see little reason for the negative attitude that I feel many have. I wouldn't want you to not voice your legitimate concerns, and you do a great job of checking the facts directly from the source (really, I applaud you for that!). I just want more positive outlooks to match the progress Linux is making! :D

(By the way, OmgUbuntu claimed in their article that SteamOS is based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, which would fit in nicely with the answer you got, no?)

sobkas:
I base my argument on the information in parenthesis above. You seem to have made up your mind that SteamOS isn't a "generic" Linux. Liam's update to the original post further proves that SteamOS is a "generic" Linux. See what I'm getting at?

The term FUD is only generally used in regards to businesses spreading untruths about another, it's not usually used when someone has concerns about something.

I am interested on what part exactly you feel I am being overly negative about? I didn't see my article being really negative about anything.

I said I didn't feel we needed the streaming anyway and that I hoped they continued to work on the traditional desktop client.

So what exactly have I been so negative about in your eyes?

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